How is the FSM any more absurd than the Christian God?

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  1. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    although that's the point it should be pushing. it is not.
    the FSM is made up by definition.
    well you just equated "something truly unfalsifiable" with "something false used by devil advocates as an example of unfalsifiability"
     
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  3. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Something that is made up could also be true. Can you prove it isn't?
     
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  5. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    *sigh* No you did, were you sleeping when you typed "equally" or do you not understand the meaning of the word?
     
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  7. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    And by the way why don't you truly falsify FSM since you claim you can?
     
  8. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    To prove a negation is impossible, except in some rare cases.
    To prove there is no FSM, is impossible.
    I can only deny the reasoning for the existence of the FSM.
    Same for any god.
    I can not prove that there is no god, I just can deny the argumentations to support the existence of a God.
     
  9. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    All human conceptions - including "God" - are "made up by definition."

    Whether they correspond to anything with an objective existence, independent of human conceptions, is the whole question.
     
  10. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    And since the FSM is no more preposterous than the standard, mainstream concepts of "God," you end up demonstrating exactly how fanciful these deities are.
     
  11. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    then you have to explain why the existence of the FSM is solely advocated by persons who have an agenda to discredit any idea of god etc

    :shrug:
     
  12. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    you people know what solipsism is?
     
  13. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    No I don't. The assertion in question stands independently of any agenda associated with anyone. Which is presumably why you declined to actually disagree with it on its substance. Apparently you'd rather distract.

    Moreover, nobody anywhere is under any obligation to comply with any demand from yourself about what they do or do not "have to" explain. If you have some point to make, then you can just make it on your own terms. Spare us the arrogant inanity of pretending that anyone feels any need to take orders from you. And, in particular, don't assume that I care about proving anything to the likes of a notorious troll and obfuscator like yourself.

    If you want to argue in good faith, you could start by explaining why the existence of the Christian God is solely advocated by persons who have an agenda to credit the idea of the Christian God. And then, in the middle of that, when you realize that pointing out that people who make salient arguments against the existence of God are the same people who are in the business of arguing against the existence of God is simply a tautology and not a point, drop this whole line of inanity, apologize, and go think of something useful to do with your time.

    Or did you really think that people come to their ideas about the existence and nature of God by sorting through all of the possibilities according to how preposterous they are (or are not)? Because, that would be a real laugh. The entire point of the FSM is to remind people of the obvious fact that no such process is involved.
     
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  14. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    Yep.
     
  15. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Before I answer, prove to me that you're a real person asking a question and not an internal projection created by my own mind :]
     
  16. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    no it doesn't

    even atheists who talk about how they believe in the FSM are well aware of this ...
     
  17. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Fallacy: Appeal to authority, appeal to popularity
     
  18. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    perhaps that would make sense if there was any other authority or popularity, aside from atheists talking about how they believe in the FSM, for you to appeal to

    :shrug:
     
  19. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong, you are appealing to the common popular view of a concept, which has no bearing on an argument.
     
  20. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    What's your point with this?
     
  21. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    well for solipsists, nothing is falsifiable and everything is unfalsifiable. for them god is unfalsifiable as a shoe box whether it contains a shoe or not(even if you show me a shoe it may be an illusion of my senses).
    can we say god's unfalsifiability is the same as the shoe's unfalsifiability?

    if the answer is no, then we can't compare god's unfalsifiability to the FSM's unfalsifiability.
     
  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Solipsism is madness.
    There are no consistent solipsists around.
    Although solipsism often emerges from or at least lurks behind many positions, it's impossible to really argue from it or for it, and unfortunately, against it.

    But go on, perhaps you can make a point?
     
  23. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    once again, that would make sense if you could indicate a single advocate of the FSM outside of the antagonism commonly afforded to atheists

    :shrug:
     
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