sifreak You are playing the blame game. Not good! People who put on weight are not always lazy, or even ill disciplined. There are many reasons for being overweight, and trying to blame the people for their own problem is counter-productive. Sympathy and constructive, educated advice is much better. And for morbidly obese people, surgery is the best option. It has the best proven track record, long term. I still see people in this thread recommending tactics that work short term only. Certainly, a solid effort can cause a fat person to lose weight. Big deal! If the weight goes back on again, more harm is done than good. And, as I said, over a 5 year period, in 95% of cases, all the weight goes back on, and often even more. As SAM said, dieting puts the body into a mode where it conserves calories and just makes it even easier to get fatter. So either use a method that works, or else forget about losing weight, and concentrate on improving health, which is much more achievable.