I hate humans club

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  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Realistically, that depends on a lot of factors. No one gets anywhere really by themselves. You have to have people nurturing and supporting you, especially when younger or at least not trying to damage you. This is why parents who care try to give every advantage to their kids as possible. If you have people working against you from getgo, thats going to be hard to survive without extensive damage.

    If you can survive beyond this stage relatively intact, then you will be strong enough others really cant take you down or stand in your way. Often, even if you come from a disadvantaged background but at least if you had people around who cared for you or someone in your corner, you have a better chance. If you dont, thats very rare because if we all could pull a rabbit out of a hat, then the subject of abuse would be trivial.

    Also, ironicly, though sensitivity is very powerful because its enlightening, its also more fragile. This is very easy to exploit or damage beyond full recovery especially with children. This is one of the tactics abusers target as this is their main means of winning as its much easier to destroy than build up. This is why standards, especially moral ones remain relatively lower across the board in society.

    If you have people whose main talents or arsenal is abuse/oppression, even what is superior can become fragmented to not be as useful as it originally could have been. Psychological abuse is one tactic that is a crime that often takes place and is used because there is no physical evidence except damaged people.

    I have even met homeless people who are very intelligent and some very talented but if their psychological damage is extensive, it overrides normal functionality. this can be anything from depression, ptsd, drug/alcohol addiction, schizophrenia etc. it will be hard to keep it together or there will be periods of being able to keep it together and then falling apart etc. this tends to go in cycles. this is not conducive to what society expects of you, whether through your fault or another (abuse).

    on top of this, society is more prejudicial and insensitive than it admits. people are political in many ways. the average group in any situation (even work) can sense if someone is troubled or merely different. those who have been damaged in a certain way can easily become a target for further damage. if they sense you are damaged, most will want to damage you more or bully you or oust you even if you are technically doing your work well or even better than most. that's the animalistic aspect of most people. most consider this a 'sniffing' a weakness. it's not that one is inherently weaker, it's just that a damage or vulnerability is detected from the majority. that is because (horrificly) those same people are the winners and those who abused you have more in common than meets the eye. there are many layers and workings of society that are unspoken. it's unspoken because it does not correlate to the clean and aboveboard facade of society that it portrays.

    this can become insidious though. the more professional the position, the less likely people are animalistic but if you are damaged, that's going to make it difficult to even get to such a position because you need a lot of strength and ability to make it. if you are riddled with periodic episodes of depression, ptsd or other serious mental/emotional health issues that it incapacitates you at times, you cannot be consistent.

    this is the tragic part of abuse and that is why people use it on others. this is also a depraved way of gaining ground on others but society uses that often, in subtle and overt ways when they can get away with it.

    but as a silver lining or a philosophical outlook, the truth is just because there are people who may be better off than you, it doesn't necessarily mean they are better than you. that's the lie society would like to spread around for their ego but that's not always true because there are so many factors that go into why and how someone is healthier than another or is more successful.

    being fortunate and having good parents or not as abused is not one's accomplishment and therefore ahead of the game. this is not something one should feel guilty for at all but realized it is a blessing. this is why there is a view among enlightened people to have consideration and help the disenfranchised and damaged or at least understand why.
     
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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

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    getting back on topic. just because someone says they hate society or people doesn't mean they actually hate everyone. it is usually they are angry about something.

    and not everyone who hates society does for the same reason. it could be polar opposite so it definitely does not indicate everyone is on the same page just because they might have some issues with society in some way.

    a person could think society is unfair because pedophilia isn't legal and another may think society is unfair because it's not harsh enough against it etc.

    it can be as small as an issue with the speed limit on roads etc. there are so many myriad reasons people have issues with society.

    and in turn, just because someone does not dislike society or is not angry with society for some reason doesn't mean they are more humane, love you, or care for you, or society more either.

    it could just be that society 'fit's them better or they represent what society is generally/majority.

    also, to be fair, just because someone does not hate society or does not have an issue with it does not mean there is something wrong with them or not good people. that is not the point of the thread.

    also, anyone who is thinking would have had some issue with society at some point or been irritated by some aspect of culture, laws or people. if we never did, nothing would change.

    we all get irritated at times for various reasons.
     
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  5. birch Valued Senior Member

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    surprisingly, the real reasons i dislike society is that i'm secretly a prude and minimalist. my idea of a good social atmosphere is a zen-like state.

    i can't stand disorder or sloppiness or imperfection or irrational people (i know it's shocking).

    my ideal society would look like a star trek episode and now compare that thought with society today. haaate it!
     
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  7. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    A prude minimalist?

    I ain't gonna' quote no scripture, (especially some stupid talking snake and apple) however, Adam and Eve were minamalists but definitely not prude...

    I wonder if there was a tree that yielded assorted chocolate in the garden? And also some cannabis plants?
     
  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I was a perfectionist once a long time ago.
    But now I am slack.
    I can sleep in clothes on a bed with no sheets if I have to and I wont let it bother me.
    Nor let others annoy me and actually these days enjoy seeing there are so many strange people in the world.
    So long as they dont hurt others they cant be as stupid as they like.

    BUT I cant tolerate cruelty.

    And men who hit women I would execute them on the spot,no mercy for first offence or extenuating circumstances.
    Even men who sucker punch other men would get the chop.
    Aggression needs to be culled.
    Put me in charge and after culling that sort of scum for a decade or a century or two I bet you would see an end to the nonsense.
    Stuff the notion of rehabilitation just recycle their bodies as compost.
    Men who hit women or stand over them are beyond compassion.
    The only leniency I would extend for first offence rather than death would be a years torture and castration...but thats probably too soft.
    Alex
     
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  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    that's normal as it's often part of retirement or leisure. nothing to be ashamed of.

    i used to be very gentle, even refined, never used profanity and now i am rough around the edges but deep inside the real me (kernel of original self) with higher standards is still there, it's just not active. there is no real reason for it to be either considering circumstances . oh god, my family couldn't stand that. i was born with a sense of dignity, refinement and sensitivity because my family was NOT like that so i didn't get it or learn it from them but they sure tried to damage it and how they would is by degradation and demeaning or purposely construing what was superior as inferior and vice versa and using false guilt tactics such as i should keep lowering myself and be humble so as not to upset their ego as well as others (yet they weren't doing that). they were such evil and envious scum that they wanted me to be taken advantage of not just by them but also by others. they wanted me demeaned and any beautiful or good quality about me to be degraded or scarred. my mother was so jealous she refused to even buy me anything to take care of my skin for instance, that's how utterly low and jealous some people can be. i mean people can feel slight jealous pangs at times but this was jealousy on steroids level. she was horribly jealous and evil. refused to do anything a woman or mother should. purposely pawning me off on her husband to take me shopping for my first bra? she never did anything with me or for me, ever. it's like she wasn't really a woman but like a man. she treated me like the evil stepmother but she was supposed to be my real mother? she did treat me like cinderella and her husband like i was some type of sex object but there was a perverted malevolence and sadism behind it too as he enjoyed degrading innocence. they both did. archetypes are real and exist for a reason because there are people like that. i'm sure there are other people out there that are horrible but since my worst experience was with them i can say they were the most vile, ugliest, even monstrous hearted people i have ever known and i have known a lot of bad people because of my fuked up life path anyways. no one even today from all assholes i have known or run into compare to how evil and depraved but powerful (megalomania) they were. my god, i couldn't believe that there are people who can be liked to demons in a human body on this earth. this is how scum think and operate with envy. just so utterly low, dark as hell. manipulative and jealous. but they were ambitious for money, respect and status though (unfortunately not ethical).

    most of it is the type of environment and people i have mostly had to associate with which are mostly aggressive and rather boarish, even so far as people accusing me of using big words (snobbery to them), so i unconsciously adjusted after awhile. i used to have a much larger vocabulary than i use now and i also used to write very sophisticated research papers in my college courses but since i won't be using any of that, among other issues, i just let myself go.
     
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  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    That is terrible.
    Honestly I dont know how one could manage that.
    I cant even imagine it because my Mum was so wonderful. And my Dad is also thats why I stick by him even though it is a great personal sacrifice. But he is a good man and I will do anything for him.

    So it is hard for me to imagine growing up with bad parents ...I mean growing up is tuff enough even with good parents but without support I dont know how you did it.
    I so hope your life is perfect from now on, you deserve a break and you should be happy without cares or worry.
    It is wonderful to see you rise above the muck and still be a noble human being.
    Alex
     
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    Don't , Don't let yourself go .
     
  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i only survived by holding onto what is good and true in my "heart", i did not rise above the muck in the outer world. i couldn't and didn't have that strength. i had too many issues (and they still affect me psychosomatically). also, what did help me wasn't always actual people but sometimes a vision, an idea or a feeling of light, love or hope. i do think that there is much unseen in the world, good and bad.

    that is how i evaluate the quality level of a human being is if they have a good heart or not, first. there are good people who make it and become successful but there are also assholes who do as well. but who a person really is is beyond just outer status in society. you will find your kindred spirits among many walks of life. on the very bottom, there will be good and bad people just like at the top there will be good and bad people (i mean no one is perfect as we can all fumble or misjudge but not the kind of people who would try to really hurt people or enjoy hurting others as a rule or with that intent and there are people who do so just that). i will not tolerate those who try to hurt or pervert good in other people.

    i don't care how clever, educated, or powerful one is if their ethics does not match it because they are worse for society because they will do most damage. just as well, even good people on the bottom do not have the mindset or attitude of devaluing better or superior qualities (there are those that do out to justify their lower standards) or try to pull others down to a lower level just because they cannot achieve it. good people admire and respect it because we do want a better quality world. we can cheer from the sidelines and it is inspiring and heartwarming when good and excellent people make it to the top even if we can't. we are not entitled just based on ego and ambition, but honestly evaluate our own level of excellence and if it's not up to par, then we will humbly bow out. excellence is the key and honing that. that is, of course, if we think that one is not being promoted over another or others who are more qualified. that's how you can tell whether someone is merely only selfishly motivated or not.
     
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  13. birch Valued Senior Member

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    another thing that burns me up about scum is how they try to justify using innocence to appease filth just like a pedophile would. there are those who sympathize with people who have bad ethics when it's bogus. of all things in this world. when it comes to ethics, that is the most easiest thing to do and it's free to make a choice to change your ethics (even bad people know right from wrong but choose wrong because it's easier or don't care), no matter what people do to you or what your station in life. if you want to be good, you decide to and if you want to be bad, you decide as well.

    everyday i can choose right from wrong and i know when i am doing wrong or right. it is a pretentious fallacy that people don't and if they don't, it's something trivial not something dire and obvious. even my abusers and scum i have run into knew right from wrong, that is why they cover it up.
     
  14. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I never worried about the money so I stayed clean.
    A group guaranteed I would be elected if I rang for council but I figured I would owe them so I backed out.
    Another guy offered me four times what I was earning to act for him but I knew he carried a gun and worked out he needed to do so I didnt take him up on his seemingly generous offer..
    I have seen them come and go high flyers everyone thinks they are great but then they get caught diddling the trust account...seen many go that way..I worked every week all my life never diddled one single person..ever.
    And it pays off cause you stand out.
    And best of all you retain your self esteem which is the most important thing..with high self esteem you are successful rich or poor.
    Never hurt anyone or ripped them off...even that friend who ripped me off I forgave him because he was under the influence of drugs.
    Anyways Birch as I said I hope every thing works well for you now.
    Alex
     
  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Kill them there is no excuse.
    Sorry they need to be culled.

    Your live straight you dont have to lie and because you are good there will always people who will help and stand by you.
    I still get gifts from folk I helped over twenty years ago.
    Alex
     
  16. birch Valued Senior Member

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    you know there are several indications of scum on the bottom or at the top. the top when they are greedy and wasteful and wait for it..the bottom when they are greedy and wasteful too (the same). i have even seen many times people in homeless shelters be greedy, wasteful or not caring when they could be. there is no excuse to not keep yourself clean (unless you have been out in the woods) or defame and damage property, littering etc because you aren't rich. or people in projects that don't take care of their property (what? just because it's not valuable to you?) that is absolute bs. i've seen women use wads of gargantuan amounts of toilet paper just because it was free and they didn't have to buy it clogging up the public toilet time and time again because they don't care or letting their kids be rude or run around messing an area for others. you can still take care of what you have, no matter what little you have.

    i am on the same level and bottom as they are and any place i was i took care of my space and respected my environment. you don't have to be rich or poor to do that. it has nothing to do with it.

    that said, there are very good people that are homeless and are respectful as well, it's those who don't that make it hard for the rest or be punished by having to deal with such people.
     
  17. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i have met very good-hearted people on the bottom. at the homeless shelter this one woman just randomly wanted to give me the best portion from her plate as if i was her child. it was sweet. another time, there was a grandmother who was very sweet and bubbly who tried to be mother goose to everyone. people made fun of h er because she had a doll she sometimes would carry with her and talk to. i could see through that and she was not actually sick in the head (as other said), it was her way of coping with loneliness as well as talking to herself. but when you spoke to her she was more lucid than the rest of them, pretty sharp and wise too and delivered with warmth and genuine kindness. or one time, i was just standing there and out of it for a minute and someone asked me something and i was zoned out, and another man piped up that i was okay defending me, in case they would start insulting me.
     
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  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Birch you should write a book I think you seem to have lead an interesting life with conflict and extremes so far it sounds more interesting than stuff on tv...mind you that would not be hard to do I suppose.
    But I find things you say interesting and I don't often get to say that.

    I live very simply and I hate waste so it ticks me off some of the nonsense you see.
    You know what gets me these folk who get super cars capable of 200 mph and there is no where you can do that speed.
    They pass you on the freeway in a rush and stay about 29 feet in front of you..its like look at me look at me.
    But other than that and wife bashers cruel folk child molesters I dont care..I feel sorry for drug addicted folk they get trapped and just keep going down hill.
    Anyways goto go..doing more astronomy and its a really clear night.
    Alex
     
  19. birch Valued Senior Member

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    that's unrealistic as my thoughts are too scattered and i don't remember when i used a semblance of proper grammar. it was awhile ago.

    i think the reason why i (maybe not others) have general antipathy toward crowds is i get woozy and start to feel physically sick around people when they are too close around me. or even one person and i am alone somewhere with no witnesses. it's like i developed an allergy. i can deal with people if they are at least at a 5o feet radius away, then i feel comfortable or safe enough or else i really start to get physically sick and get panic attacks.
     
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I think grammar can be overlooked really because most ordinary folk dont worry about it even though they understand the rules.
    Well you should go bush you would love it ..no people no noise no hassle just bush sounds..
    Alex
     
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    Did you happen to look at the moon and see if any of the flags are fluttering so you could tell FF they flutter even on the moon?

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  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    No I pack up when the Moon rises.
    But it sure looked nice tonight when just above the horizon as I was heading inside.
    I do have some close ups of the landind site that I will offer freddy for an unrepeatable price.
    Alex
     
  23. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    If somehow I had such enormous power, I would make people better rather than punish or kill them. I would take away the pain, suffering, fear, insecurity, hate & horrible childhood indoctrinations into illogical noncompassionate thinking. I would make people much more able to love each other rather than slaughter them.
    I would certainly do whatever it takes to make you able to love people rather than condemn them.

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