I'm not voting in this year's election

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wegs, Jun 10, 2020.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    100 million people thought that too.

    The question is: if wegs isn't going to bother having an opinion on the one day that matters, in the fall, why is she even bothering to have an opinion today? She's literally saying she doesn't want a voice.

    Maybe, on the other hand, she does have an opinion on leadership of the country (after all, she took the time to write about it here), and maybe - if that's the case - she should own it - put that money where her mouth is, and voice that opinion on the one day when it matters?

    Which is it wegs? Do you have a voice? Or not?
     
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  3. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Oh wait a minute. I should vote, but I'm not required to vote for Trump or Biden. Think I'm going to start focusing on other candidates in terms of Presidential hopefuls. If we always vote for these two parties, we will never get out of this mess, imo.
    I will definitely vote on that point. And I take back not voting at all. I won’t be casting my vote for either Biden or Trump.
     
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  5. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I understand what you’re saying. If I choose to not vote at all, then I have no “right” to complain. Agree.

    But, I’ve changed my stance. I won’t be voting for Trump or Biden. That still makes me a concerned citizen.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, that makes more sense.
     
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  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Not voting is expressing an opinion just as much as voting. If someone does like the choices and does vote, that's making just as much of a statement as voting.

    This idea that if you don't vote you don't have a right to voice your opinion is just patriotic non-sense.

    Anyone is better than Trump. Biden isn't the same as Trump. He is the Democratic establishment and he does seem to be halfway to senility. We do need more competent pragmatic leaders.

    That's the problem with Sanders and Warren, they are too ideological and emotional and not really well versed in how things actually work.

    Too much politics (and corporate influence) is what is currently wrong with the system. The answer isn't trying to turn the U.S. into France.
     
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  9. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Yea, I was a bit all over the place in the beginning of this thread. lol I will vote, just not for either of those two. I don't like the republican or democrat parties, in a broad sense. They really have grown to be little more than parties filled with hate. I just don't want to be a part of that, right now.

    I was looking up parties, and there is one called the ''Bread & Roses'' party.

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    https://www.breadandroses.us/
     
  10. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Agree with all you post here, except how do you view the current Democratic ''establishment?'' (in its current state) Seems a bit hate-filled, albeit a different kind of hate than Trump.
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    In Australia voting is compulsory. We also have a system called "preferential voting" https://www.aec.gov.au/learn/preferential-voting.htm
    People who are not too concerned about who or what gets into power, often have a "donkey vote" that is numbering candidates as they appear on the paper. And while voting is compulsory, there is nothing stopping a voter from simply scribbling any nonsense he likes, so making his vote invalid.

    OK, I'm an outsider, but fair dinkum, I am at a loss how or why any self respecting citizen, would not want to get the fucking redneck idiot you have at present as your President, ousted asap!
    I know nothing of the other candidates, and my only observation was that one of the Democratic candidates [forget his name] did/does appear too old.
    wegs, please don't give the world another 4 years of this mongrel fool you already have as President, because essentially, being the largest? most powerful democratic country, the decision does affect the whole world. And selfishly speaking, I'm part of that world.
     
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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I gotta say, Biden kind of terrifies me too. Not as much as Trump, but he looks like he's about to eject a Bible from a slot in his thoracic module and start thumping people with it.
    I'm not sure he's gonna be much better, in the end.

    Still, I can't argue with the "anybody but Trump" logic. I understand now what they mean when they say "throwing one's vote away" and "splitting the vote".

    What a horrible fix to be in.
     
  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know. I don't really follow it all that much these days. There's nothing there that interests me. I just figure any Democratic admin has to be more competent than any Trump admin.

    I pretty much (try to) lead my life so that the government has little effect on my life. We are all affected of course but that's still my approach since I don't see much to "admire".
     
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  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think Biden is a Bible thumper. I think he is just too old, senile and too much a part of the establishment. If he wasn't so old, or if he appeared to be mentally sharp, he would be even more preferable to Trump. Just having a competent caretaker government would be a great improvement at the moment.

    The real problem is that running a government in the administrative sense doesn't need politics (and emotions) to play such a large role.

    Sanders and that wing of the party remind me of a friend of mine who is passionate about everything she sees/hears on Democracy Today but she doesn't understand any of it.
     
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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    What the US needs, more than anything, is to get back to reconciling left and right sentiments - bringing them closer to centre, so that not every single issue down to shoe-size is defined by one's political identity. That'll take generations to repair.

    I remember a time when that was a primary concern and promise of a president. I'm that old.
     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed. The government needs to be more involved in "educating" the public about the decisions it has before it.

    When you don't do that you leave that to some extremist bomb thrower type to define the issues for you. Politicians should lead rather than follow populist thinking.
     
  17. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Well that obvous observation alone puts you a step ahead of the average POS --->(piece of Sht).!!!
    Yeah im also in a position to weather most any storm Trump might manufacture while his Senate menions keep ther heads buried up his Azz... an like me im guessin that part of the reason you'r rather have a Dem administration is because of what Trumps doin to those who are less fortunate than us... so thats just another thang we have in common

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  18. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Let the backlash begin! Some of my friends and family are supportive of my decision to not cast my vote for either clown in question, but some...want to fight me. Come at me, I’m gonna start a movement - pick a new party movement! These two are ruining our democracy. :/
     
  19. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    A good friend of mine voted for Jill Stein last election, because she was the only candidate he could vote FOR. I get that - I like her too. I also know many people who voted libertarian...

    Trump won.
     
  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Whatever leads to positives changes is fine with me. The only problem is that when crowds think with their hearts rather than their minds (not saying that about you) is that the change they get doesn't correct the problems that they have.

    I'd rather just see better people run but who in their right mind would want to be in politics these days? Parties are just names so if you get a good candidate to run they can do that as a Democrat but whatever is effective would be good by me.

    Look at all the protests/marches (not referring to the current black/white/police protests) and do they ever result in or produce candidates that you would want a real political leaders in charge of anything?

    What changes are you looking for in particular?
     
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  21. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Honestly, if you actually have to ask why you ought be concerned about Michael Flynn, you probably oughtn't vote.

    The reason we're in the mess we're in now--well, there's a lot of reasons--is that some 60-odd million people are too damn ignorant to be voting in the first place. Granted, some--perhaps a few hundred thousand--are adequately informed--they're simply bigoted, misogynistic, and, typically, quite wealthy sociopath who knew damn well that Trump would do their bidding, and fuck everyone else! But the rest are simply ignorant (though undoubtedly there's a lot of bigotry and misogyny there, as well): they don't understand or believe in climate change (funny how people who admittedly know so little often have such strong opinions about those topics); they deny white privilege and the long, and continuing, history of systemic oppression against the others--racial minorities, women, the disabled, non-cisgendered and so forth; and they believe that single payer healthcare will be incomprehensibly expensive, inefficient, and deny them of "choices" they believe they have now--again, all this belief without actually knowing a damn thing about it. This is kind of the height of irresponsibility as far as being an informed--and influential (as far as votes go)--citizen.

    I personally do not consider myself all that well-informed about any and all matters political. I consider myself sufficiently informed so at to entitle me to vote--but only just so. Were I to be any less informed than I am now, I would feel quite irresponsible by exercising my right to vote.

    In short, if you can't even get your basic facts straight about the basic issues, the histories, and the implications of policy decisions, you probably should not be voting.
     
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  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, definitely leave it to the pros. They know what's best for you.

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  23. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    You don’t know me at all lol You have no idea my struggles in life and why I dislike Trump and Biden. So, your self righteous, egoist tone is of no use to me.
     

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