Impeach Bush!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Solve et Coagula, Mar 3, 2006.

  1. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    No ....unless I'm force to do so.

    Please tell me any good, logical reason for trusting any human ....please!

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  3. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    You get a warm fuzzy glow in your heart.

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    But seriously, do/did you not trust your parents?
     
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  5. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    I'm 62 yeas old, Nick ....I've seen a lot over the years. I've had my very best friends lie to me and cheat me when the ocassion presented itself. I've had girlfriends lie and cheat for various reasons/excuses. I've had clients lie to me in order to make more money ...by trying to force me to design buildings with substandard materials and methods.

    No, Nick, I'm sorry ...I've just seen too much for my own good. Maybe that's why humans only live for some 72 years or so ....after about 50 years, you begin to see human nature for what it really is ....and it ain't nice!

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    Thats pretty sad.
     
  8. rich68 Registered Senior Member

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    impeach bush?...thats your view...is it because your islamic?yes...am i of different faith?..yes...do i want bush impeach? who gives a shit...at the end of the day...this man was put under immense pressure from all sides to implement an answer...of which it seems to you that his actions have provoked instead of dialogue.what about your leader back home ?does he want a islamic world? is that what you want novacane? im sure thats not the case on both points...what is the answer here!...i keep hearing is infidels/non believers..im choking on it...perhaps Novacane can explain this to me!.why are you so angry with this man that had to protect his land from people that call me an infidel/non believer...of what?
     
  9. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Nick, I've never known a human that didn't lie at one time or another in his/her life. And if they've done it once, how can you ever trust them again?

    Tell me, Nick, how many people have you ever know or do know that does not lie? And if they have or do lie, what makes you think that they won't do it again?

    Yes, Nick, it is sad ....but it's also the way it is.

    Baron Max
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You have far too many expectations. People are not infallible you know, but neither are they evil. Most people lie out of fear, not selfishness.

    Acceptance and love can be very powerful in bringing people together; distrust and suspicion creates nothing but walls.
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I think my point is the the US didn't stop the war in Lebanon because they didn't want to, not because they have no diplomatic influence.
     
  12. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    I disagree, Sam. (see below)

    Fear? Fear of what? No, Sam, it ain't fear that makes them lie, it's their selfishness and greed ...greed in the form of "How can I get 'x' from this guy/gal?" I'm sorry, Sam, but the empirical evidence is stacked against your ideals of human nature ...stacked deeply, I might add.

    Where can I buy some of this "acceptance and love"? Does Wal-Mart carry any of it? I hope it's not injections, cause I hate needles!

    Sam, ya' want some evidence of acceptance and love? Check out this forum and the posts that appear ...how often do you see "acceptance and love"? And how often do you see "distrust and suspicion"?

    Sam, your idealism is to be commended, but I fear that it won't last very long out in the world of dealing with humans.

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  13. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Hmm, I think they expressed some concern very early in the war. But it's like most things "diplomatic" ....they don't fuckin' work!

    But I will concede that I think the US was hoping that Israel would bomb Lebanon and the Hezbollah into the Stone Age ....I know I was! I was really, really disappointed to see Israel stop the bombing and shelling. I kept hoping to see the next news shots of Lebanon showing nothing but a smokiing ruin, completly leveled and total and utter destruction.

    I'm guessing of course, but I don't think the Israel would have stopped even if we'd have declared war on them!!!

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  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe they wouldn't stop, and maybe US influence isn't what it was, but diplomacy is how wars always end, even this one.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'd be surprised if you did not.

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    Lots of fears in the human psyche. Fear of inadequacy, insecurity, failure, being misunderstood, blah blah.

    That is the catch, I'm afraid. You don't get the love and acceptance, you give it.

    I see mostly reactions to reactions, nothing more. If you break the cycle, you'd be surprised how very human all of them are.
    I'm no idealist, Baron mon ami, I'm a realist.

    But I had good teachers.

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    edit: this is off topic so lets not hijack the thread.
     
  16. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed...
     
  17. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    No. Your view of human nature is just expressed through your subjective experience with humans. This is purely psychological. And I have to admit that I am the same way, just like everyone else. I was raised by good parents and that made a lot of difference in the way I see the world. Still is subjective, you cannot run away from it. Having said that, both selfish and truthful behaviours are widespread accross the globe. Which one you believe is human nature depends only on your own experience.
     
  18. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    This is why wisdom, contrary to what a lot of idiotic adults believe, is not from experience, but from an ability to discern the truth within those experiences.
     
  19. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Hmm. So ...Iran has different experiences from those of the US, they both discern the "truth" differently, they both find that they can't agree with the "truth" of the other, so they start a major war!

    Yep, perhaps you're right. But then, wait ....."the truth" ...? What is the truth and who is to say? Who decides? Or is it just a constant state of human disagreement and conflict?

    Ahh, perhaps I was right, huh?

    Baron Max
     
  20. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    You lived in the US your whole life?
     
  21. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Well, what is my name?

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    If it is not "right" for everyone, how can it be "right"?
     
  22. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    True...
     
  23. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    You'll learn that in time .....be patient.

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