People with utopian visions generally have a poor grasp of human psychology and a have programmes that would first necessitate the enslavement and indoctination of the population before they could be delivered. The right to be let alone does not usually figure in their plans.
Utopia will come about when all or most individuals realize for themselves that this is what they want.
By natural forces, yes. The situation will demand it, not any political entity. Politics will simply be a manifestation of the common realization of the correct path.
Yes it is. Physics, chemistry, biology. Everything in existence is subject to law and was created according to law. If it weren't, scientists would be very bored.
Those are not laws. Those are just titles for different aspects of studying nature. Matter and energy just do what they do, they obey no laws.
that's absolutely not true. they are laws, and they are called laws for a reason. they are the givens of our existence. examples...the laws of thermodynamics, the law of gravity, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, e=mc(squared). open up a physics text and count the number of times the word "law" is used. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law http://www.mathmojo.com/laws/basiclaws.html http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n2/god-natural-law
The concept of Utopia itself is fine. I'd love to live in my idea of a Utopia. It's people advocating stupid policies and politicians/judges eagerly ingraining those stupid policies into law that I have a problem with.
Ok, so you have asserted that there are natural Properties (that we sometimes call laws). How does this support your argument? Humanity has properties, too. Much more complexity.
yes i agree, humanity does too, and it is my belief that when communion is restored with god (law...the universe), suffering and death will end forever. utopia!
Your belief. Which is not aligned with others belief- That complexity. The weather is far less complex than humans are. Yet, it's a semi ordered chaos.
well, i guess since i believe that belief is required to achieve, then some of us will achieve utopia, and some of us won't.
Yes, which is a basic premise. Belief can be a very funny thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology#Controversies If I believe the Chinese dragon myths or that Puff the Magic Dragon will bring Utopia, all I need do is declare that others believe this, too.
Lori, did you even read the articles? From the first; "A physical law or scientific law is a scientific generalization based on empirical observations of physical behavior." Things do not obey laws. We merely observe their behaviours, and for some reason, these got called 'Laws', but they are not written anywhere. Matter and energy just does what they do. On physics text books, well, I studied physics at University, Lori, and while the term 'Law' is used, none of us actually believe anything is forced to behave a certain way. We understand the term is mis-applied, but it's established, and that's what we have to live with.
