In regards to atheism.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by garbonzo, Oct 15, 2015.

  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    That is all I have ever wanted really.

    Way way too cynical.
    I believe Jan really wants to help me find his God, not that he has lost him and is including me in the search party, for my benefit mainly and no doubt if I found God with Jan's assistance it would make him happy I expect.

    For my part I would like to help Jan find enlightenment.

    I am working on something can I run it by you...see if you can catch it.

    It is, it was and so it shall be.

    In the beginning there was nothing and in the nothing there was the beginning.

    You must admit I have the gift...and he that has the gift shall give and those who receive shall not go without for without the gift they have received nothing.

    I am on a roll here.

    Why? I bet he never watches you.
    Way too cynical but yes....yes he does.

    It is a wise man who prepares a meal for the hungry which is their favorite food and thus leave them content and well fed for it is that man who shall dine at a table overflowing with things he doth like.
    I can see a series in it.

    Pity the title "Never ending story" has been taken.
    Yes Dr Phil but you will read it as "biquts".
    Dr Phil come back to me we are in the studio now, forget about your episode with the bull.
    Dr. Phil there are no dogs here, there is no bull drink this flavored water and look at the camera and just relax let the actors do their thing.
    Drink all of your water.
    Yes and while we stick with that line the Medical Board won't touch us.
    Finish your water.

    I have to be gentle and kind I am thinking a family type audience.

    You exhibit, if I may say so, an impatience which I interpret as you want more of the same.

    You must wait enlightenment just does not happen in an instant.

    Please meditate and think about nothing clear your mind and be ready for the load when it arrives.

    Alex
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Way way to trusting

    When you're done here come and have a beer with me in Sydney

    I've got a bridge proportional to put to you

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    You got it in spades

    Nope

    But I am Jet lagged so let me ponder a bit

    I just want it to stop

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    Dear god almighty

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    Make it stop

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    Circa about 30 years ago

    Anyone of about 6 psychotic patients I looked after

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  5. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry I am dealing direct with the owner and he is going to reduce the price because without an agent he will save on commission.

    Best of all I only have to pay a 5% deposit so we can do it in cash at the pub.

    This a wise man who can rest after a holiday...when will you be allowed to drive heavy machinery.
    It has stopped.
    Maybe your head is still spinning.

    Alex
     
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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure if a 250cc scooter style motorbike counts

    Just took it for 5 klm round trip to buy a meal

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  8. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Now think about it, if I'm trying to introduce you to God, then the term 'God Is' is rendered meaningless.

    I'm trying to get you to put your current mind-set on hold. Because that is the reason you can't comprehend God.
    Does that make sense?

    I think you misunderstand, or you are purposely playing down what I'm saying.
    Either way that needs to be addressed.

    Why would you think I could do that?

    Nobody does. We may enjoy watching it, but we may also find things about the films, or books that relate in such a way, that we can learn from them.

    On the other you you may think your learning something from a documentary, and it turns out to be fiction.

    I've already explained my position, and yours.

    It's an observation, not an attack.
    "You can't just send me some photos of God at a rally or something?" A classic example.

    I take it the link I posted a while back, has been discarded by the atheist community.
    Oh well!

    Jan.
     
  9. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    So quick to think the worst of those you are in discussion with, Jan, rather than look for more obvious explanations. It does you no favours.
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    How else would he maintain his (entirely unwarranted) sense of superiority?
     
  11. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    There are undoubtedly evolutionary reasons for it.
    For me a better question would be why do some persist with the belief and others do not.
    And a hint: the answer has nothing to do with being "without God".

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  12. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    There are those who say it had no meaning in the first place.

    Not entirely Jan...well actually no.
    Are you suggesting that if I do not think or seek some degree of proof that I can invent my own God.

    Could you address my question first.

    Why wouldn't I think you could do that I have no idea what a theist can do...Forget the photo but something anything...
    I formed the impression you did.
    How do we learn from fiction it is after all fiction.
    Have you learnt anything from Superman comics or even the various movies that you apply to good use in day to day existence, or Spiderman.
    Anyway I don't understand how watching a movie would help other than prepare my mind to be receptive to more fiction.
    Wouldn't that be unlikely can you give me an example?
    Do you mean documentaries on religion?
    Please run it by me again.
    Please remind me what observation was I defending?

    A classic example of what exactly?

    Which link?
    Can you please post it again and I will speak to the community and ask them not to disregard it.

    Alex
     
  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    How does that relate?

    No.

    Mistakes happen.

    We learn all the time, whether we want to or not.

    Just go back and read it.

    Of you defending your ignorance


    Again go back and look.

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  14. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    On a serious note

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    I expect evolution could provide answers but I am inclined to attribute belief in God to the intelligent designer helping out by putting some mechanism in our brain that enables us to realise God is.

    The science of inteligent design however can't say there is a God as that would not be science. As intelligent design does not relate the notion to there being a God it must be science.

    My speculation of course is only mere speculation but given it is a fact children have a natural tendency to believe in God (there is a wonderful paper by a good christian who researched the matter and discovered to his surprise that children have a tendency to believe in God..) even before it is drummed into them with no influence from their God fearing parents

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    we have irrefutable evidence that God is.

    Alex
     
  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    What odds would you give?

    Would you believe he has me on Twitter

    Oh wait

    That should be he has me on TWIT

    Sorry bout that

    You have not defined IT

    And it sounds a tad familiar


    The two ins?

    Are thay like within? reading

    Within the the beginning there was nothing

    and within the nothing there was the beginning

    Sounds like a love child between a Matryoshka doll and a Möbius strip


    I admit nothing and what makes you think you are the only one with a gift and the only one handing it out?

    I'd get off before Subway finds out what your doing

    Not if the greedy barstards eat the lot

    OK if you won't come down to the pub and have a beer at least come to the clinic

    We can do something about those cuts and bruises on your forehead

    Looks like you've been banging it against a brick wall


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  16. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    You know, Alex, that with thinking like this you might well be further along the path to believing in God than you give yourself credit for. Although maybe the credit should be God's, as he would have given you the ability to ink the way you are doing so.

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  17. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    OMG he's fallen in the water (holy that is)

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  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I am not sure.
    Well don't let it happen again.
    What did you learn from Superman and Spiderman that you did not want to learn?
    Go back where and read what?
    My ignorance of what exactly?
    Seriously?
    OK I will start at page one...
    Alex
     
  19. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Oh I know God is real he just does not exist.

    But all and any credit must go to Jan...

    He gives credibility to my statement that...
    Men create Gods
    Gods do not create men

    And by discussing God if we can call it that, if that is what is going on here then Jan gets to make God more real (for him) and that is a good thing...
    I am happy to help with that side of things and with more thought Jan should be able to move past God is....It is on the tip of his tongue...
    God is ... Look he can add whatever he likes but he should be the one to find the next word...so no prompting.

    I resort to comedy because this is a serious matter.

    Thank you for your wisdom and balance.

    Alex
     
  20. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    That's not relevant.

    Whatever you wish to be reminded of.

    God.

    Good. Then maybe you'll stop messing around.

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  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    It is.
    It is not.
    It shall be.
    It is all things.
    It can be found.
    It can be forever lost.

    OICURMT

    Alex
     
  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Is that why you raised it?

    That would take a lot of reading.
    You forgot "is".
    Do you refer to the christian chap who's research found children have a natural tendency to believe in God?
    Alex
     
  23. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Raised what?

    I guess that's the price for not paying attention in the first place.

    I didn't

    If you go back you'll see it.

    Jan.
     

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