Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

I took the liberty to answer that question in the thread on "the problems of Self-Referential systems"

 

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The problem of Self-Referential systems
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Quote it Write4U , here .

 

No. It's off-topic.

 

Fine then put it in my thread . In Free Thoughts .

 

Ask the question in your thread, I'll be happy to answer it there.
I am only trying to follow admin directions to keep posts on-topic as much as possible.

 

Meaning ......

 

C'mon.....

 

This is relevant.


And confirms my initial intuitive logical analysis.

This is very exciting stuff.

 

Summary

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00312114

 

Evolution of cytoskeleton and consciousness

https://www.academia.edu/25505439/C...onary_Based_Review?email_work_card=view-paper

 

This is an update of mitotic processes.

 

An interesting question; Do plants possess intelligence?

Darwin and other scientists thought so.

So let's assume for a moment that brainless plants do have a bio-chemical sensory awareness of their environment. What would give plants this ability?

In context of this thread; Might microtubules have a role to play in plant intelligence?

Are there microtubules in plant cells?

The self-organization of plant microtubules inside the cell volume yields their cortical localization, stable alignment, and sensitivity to external cues

https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1006011

 

From the above site.

https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1006011#sec010

In view of the fact that most vertical plants branch out in accordance with the Fibonacci sequence, is it reasonable to ask if microtubules behave in accordance with natural mathematical guiding principles?

 

No .

The guiding principles are always physically based . Why ? Is the question then . And not mathematics .

Because without mathematics the physical still exists . However ; Without the physical , mathematics can not exist . I've said this before .

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An ; Absolute Truth .

 

You speak of the explicate only and completely neglect the Implicate of what will become expressed
Make no mistake about it, Atheists don’t need a God to be in awe of the majesty of the universe. I just don’t think all this needs a motivated Agency.

Evolution has proven to apply to everything, not just to living things but to all natural self-organizing patterns.
Wanna see self-organizing patterns? The mathematical geometry of nature?

Mathematics is not the language of Humans. It is the language of Universal Logic, an abstract guiding equation that can be described and organized via symbolic mathematics such as human maths.

The manifestation of potential Higgs bosons was only mathematically predicted. There existed no record of ever having observed a Higgs boson.

In Cern it was the “applied mathematics” of controlling certain natural forces to spontaneously create the form of a Higgs boson pattern at very small scales.

It took the Collider, but by setting all the controls in a certain mathematical pattern, the Higgs boson, would appear and show us it’s naturally self-forming pattern.

When we speak of “cell-memory”. is this the ability of cells to produce extremely small patterns , which may occasionally happen or at every instant in time, if we look deep enough.

Existence is a pattern, a chronology of patterns, from the extremely subtle (abstract Implicated form) to gross expression in (Explicated form) as Reality (David Bohm).

Reality consists of sets of patterns with various value densities, starting with fractals and showing up in all naturally self-forming universal geometries such as atoms and spiral galaxies.

Wave functions shape the geometric arrangement and expressed (observable form) of complex patterns of size and density.

Watch: How Sacred Geometry is embedded in Your DNA - Secrets of Geometric Art -



Interesting why you of all people should be so materialistic.

 

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Because the Universe is Material . Galaxies , Quasars , Stars , planets etc . Are material . Three dimensionally . Depth .

Life , is different . Life forms evolve an intellect . The periodic table doesn't .

 

All that is only what you think it is. You are constructing that reality from within your mind. The actual reality is so much more than we perceive that if we could see all of reality our brains would go instantly mad.

Watch this interesting lecture:


and a more in-depth discussion by a panel of respected scientists of their own relationship to the subject.

 

Some additional knowledge.

Ran across this article.

How Computationally Complex Is a Single Neuron?

https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2021/09/Dendrites_v1-HB.mp4

Neuroscientists now know that the computational complexity of a single neuron, like the pyramidal neuron at left, relies on the dendritic treelike branches, which are bombarded with incoming signals. These result in local voltage changes, represented by the neuron’s changing colors (red means high voltage, blue means low voltage) before the neuron decides whether to send its own signal called a “spike.” This one spikes three times, as shown by the traces of individual branches on the right, where the colors represent locations of the dendrites from top (red) to bottom (blue).

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-computationally-complex-is-a-single-neuron-20210902/

What is missing from this informative article is that it is "microtubules" in the biological neuron that process and transmit all that data and orchestrate the information into a conscious experience.