Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    I ignored your last post because you put yet more pastes in.
    When I ask you not to paste of swathes of texts from other people, do you understand why?
     
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  3. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    I will reply to this part.

    Quantum mechanics is not mathematics, it uses mathematics, the language is maths, it is not a mathematical theory.

    You don't prove scientific theories, you test them. You CAN prove mathematical theorems.
    The theory of Evolution will never be proven in the same way Pythagoras theorem has been proven.

    What you said about Planck scale, and superposition, collapse is nonsense.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You've read them all before?

    I have explained to you why I do post quotes from scientific articles. It is precisely to illustrate my level of comprehension and how it applies in context of the thread. I understand the quoted passages and they are supportive of my perspective on the nature of spacetime.

    I am trying to avoid being obtuse. I let the scientists or reviewers do the talking where I agree with them. I cannot be more scientific than that.
     
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  7. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    I want you to post what you think you understand NOT large pastes from other people. Write4U
     
  8. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    That's better! That was ALL you!
     
  9. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Stick to that format and we will get on like a house on fire
     
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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK, in what way was it nonsense?
    That is what ORCH OR is all about, no?
     
  11. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Forget consciousness for now we have bigger fish.
    Planck scale is not the scale of an electron, or proton or Bucky ball which has 60 C atoms. They all exhibit quantum behaviour, IE they display can wave like interference and you can make predictions based on QT.

    Superposition is something else, that is a combination of possible states
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If that was agreeable to you, then please apply that logic to the rest of my presentations.
    What I post is not random. I try to paint a landscape and I use several brushes.
     
  13. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Collapse of the wave function relates to when the particle (say) is observed at a particular place. The probability of the particle being at all these other places has disappeared. Why look under the stairs when we found it behind the door?
     
  14. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps James should split this off? New thread.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, and I took the term quantum to also apply to larger scale such as the nano scale of microtubules.

    Yes, and it is a big part of ORCH OR.

    I rely on Penrose to have deep insight in this matter and I am assuming he is right. I am trying to build on that, but only with intent to inform from an objective POV, not to advance some mystical dualism.
     
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  16. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    My point is that quantum "effects" act at much larger scales not just the Planck scale.

    They exhibit effects on particles much larger.
     
  17. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm impressed, you have changed your approach, you did not have to but you did because I asked.
    For me at least, good on you
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    According Hameroff and Penrose, the collapse of the wave function may affect spacetime fabric as a "bing", that could be measured as a moment of consciousness. A single quantum event affecting the surrounding spacetime?
     
  19. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Don't assume Penrose is right, is he supersmart and a Noble laureate yes but can be wrong on this, he is not a molecular biologist.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, I did not make that clear. I completely agree with you. And that also supports the notion of microtubules processing quantum values. They are dipolar coils.
     
  21. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know, spacetime quantised? There is no theory as yet on that or quantum gravity.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    True, but he is a physicist and if he sees a quantum function inside trillions of microtubules is it possible that may generate a field from which perceptible holographic field images emerge.

    And that is where I mention Bohm.
    Holonomic brain theory
    Quantum interpretation of neuroscience
     
  23. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    I looked this up, tubulin are a class of proteins, not just one molecular weight, secondary structure and collection of microcharges.

    I don't know about dipolar coils, I can guess but I would rather look it up and feedback.
     
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