Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

The faster you go , the less wisdom you find .

 

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That depends on the program. Humans also have to learn (acquire) wisdom from study and observation, self-programming. But AI like Sophia can be programmed to always ask questions about everything, just like a small child at first, but at ever greater sophistication.

The more data the brain can process, the more paralell referential data it can store and the deeper paralell research it can perform in a short time.

Today's chess computers are beating our Grand Masters. Their speed allows them to test (calculate) all possible answers to the opponents possible moves, several moves into the future.

Deep Blue

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_(chess_computer)

Deep Blue was programmed to learn from each game it plays.
So, if an AI is granted access to all the great thinkers, there is no reason why a computer should not be able to base decisions on available wisdom, if it is logical.

Logic vs Wisdom - What's the difference?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

 

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Sophia is a cool AI robot. The trick is to cram as much data into small spaces. For its size the human brain is incredibly efficient as a data processor.
That's the one thing which restricts current robots . But the the more powerful and faster we can make the AI, the more data it can store and process in small spaces. It's not that far around the corner, IMO.

 

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Be careful of speed and data processing . They do not necessarily lead to wisdom .

 

That may be true, but slow and ignorant is a sure recipe for disaster...

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Just one clip about Sophia, and more which involves contributions by Hanson, Mossbridge, and Hameroff, and a more in-depth exploration of current technology and knowledge of what causes consciousness and paralell processing of several different sensory inputs.

 

It is a terrible data processor. It is a remarkably efficient inference engine. Which is pretty much the opposite of computers, at least until about 20 years ago.

 

An interesting article on; Cell Migration
Abstract

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-cellbio-101011-155711

and the role microtubules play in cell migration; Microtubules in Cell Migration
Abstract

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6823166/

 

It depends on what you mean by "data" and "processing" and "inference engine", no?

Yes, when we (our brains) started developing AI, self-referential (inferential) computers. That was 20 years ago!

This is the definition I use to base my value of "data" on; Data processing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_processing

In humans this data organizing center is made up from microtubules, the MTOC (microtubule organizing center). See post # 1510
http://mtoc-explorer.org/

The human brain is not a purely electronic processor, it is an electro-chemical processor, which means it can process chemical data as well as electronic data, which IMO, allows for emotional experiences, a chemical response mechanism, such as production of pheromones or endorphins, to data, which produces a meaningful experience, an ability which AI does not posess, yet.

Smell you later! Chemosignals communicate human emotions
Date: November 5, 2012
Source:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121105140407.htm

p.s. did you notice that Sophie now uses a cloud which connects her with other AI and can use their collective stored information to reference against her own? All she needs to learn is how to ask the question, no problem there!

IMO, the implications of that are astounding. Now AI are no longer restricted by "memory space". In a shared "cloud" they have unlimited storage capacity and potential access to all internet referential "data".
Of course, humans also have the ability to access the Internet "cloud" . We just cannot do that as fast as electronic computers.

In fact, even using paralell circuits, it takes a human +20 years to store sufficient data to allow its own brain to be able to draw inferences from it's stored memories against received sensory data.
And even then it is a "best guess" (inference) by the brain. Anil Seth.

Using the cloud, an AI could potentially learn this much in a day at the much greater processing speed than human brain, but until we can program "emotion" (reward incentive?) into AI they can only express programmed "pseudo-emotional" responses to received sensory data. Sophie is actually pretty good at that.

 

Right. If you use the definitions of those words, then my statement is true.

?? This has been true for about 15 years. Alexa is an example.

 

OK

Yes, diversification of AI functionality is about on the right track. Another 10-30 years and AI may well have reached "maturity" from "infancy". Same as a human child. Of course, humans have to start from scratch everytime they are born, whereas an autonomous AI has access to all information contained in the cloud the instant it is activated.

It's quite possible that AI may lead us to understand how "consciousness" itself evolves.

 

Here it is;
Comparative Studies of Microtubule Mechanics with Two Competing Models Suggest Functional Roles of Alternative Tubulin Lateral Interactions

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3379015/

 

A microtubule 'roadway' in the retina helps provide energy for vision

Isolated Goldfish Retinal Bipolar Cell (IMAGE)
ROCKEFELLER UNIVERSITY PRESS

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CAPTION;
Fluorescently labeled microtubules extend from the tips of the dendrites (top) into the axon and down into the giant synaptic terminal (bottom) of a single isolated goldfish retinal bipolar cell. A loop of microtubules encircles the inner plasma membrane of the terminal and anchors mitochondria.
CREDIT
Graffe et al., 2015

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-06/rup-am062415.php#:

 

To your last statement

How would ai do this ?

 

Interoception and Visceroception. Humans have both but visceroception is a subconscious ability, used only by the brain for autonomous monitoring and controlling of organ functions.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interoception

An AI would be able to access this control mechanism and study it's properties and functions.
i.e. humans have no sensory perception of individual cells or neural synapses. An AI would be able to actively monitor those areas of sensory perception.

 

Which changes every millisecond .

The autonomic parts of the Brain are subconscious for a reason Write4U . So you don't have to be aware . So you can think of other things .

 

Some interesting optical illusions, involving the transmission of data via microtubules and showing the limitation of the brain in being able to process certain types of information.

 

Will the Octopus ever cease to amaze and delight?

Analysis of Microtubules in Isolated Axoplasm from the Squid Giant Axon

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4460999/bin/nihms695239f1.jpg

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Figure 1
Flow chart for preparation of axoplasms.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4460999/

 

All this Write4U , Based on the Physical .

Not Mathematics , but Physical things .

 

This thread is not about mathematics. It's about Microtubules..

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