is it true that the quran says jesus didnt really die on the cross?

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  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You are replying to a post that is three years old. FYI.
     
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  3. gebobs Registered Member

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    In my defense, someone else brought the thread to the top of the heap though I admit I didn't bother to see when the post I responded to was written.

    Thanks for the heads up.
     
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  5. Hayden Registered Senior Member

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    No
    The holy Quran has no business talking about Jesus.
     
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  7. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Even though they refer to him by name and say "Peace be unto him"?

    Sounds like someone has a chip, not a cross to bear.
     
  8. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    If you call it holy, what business of yours is it to determine its business?
     
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  9. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    How does the Bible? The New Testament wasn't written until long after Jesus was dead.
     
  10. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    And then the council of Nicaea decided what the "truth" would be. I can't imagine that the Quran is any different, just curated for "proper" behavior in the Hadith.

    Religious fervor should be in the DSM...
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    DSM............
    Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

    Perhaps?
    Perhaps not
    It rather depends on what actions religious fervor leads to.

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    Long ago, I chanced to meet a southern baptist preacher who would be a likely candidate.........whether his problem was religious fervor or ego or low iq or ignorance remains unknown.
     
  12. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Have you ever seen a revival tent? Those SOB preachers are there for the money, and don't give one shit for the poor ignorant people writhing in the sawdust. It's the preacher's prey that need help while he's in jail for fraud.
     
  13. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    never seen one
    however
    I did hear this song-----and I like it
     
  14. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    I'd forgotten that.

    I have seen the horrid things, since I was stuck in the Bible Belt until age 12, when thank God, the Klan ran us out of Mississippi to DC.

    Liberation! Art, music, restaurants!
     
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  15. Hayden Registered Senior Member

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    Just out of respect to religious sentiments of my fellow beings.
     
  16. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Not snarking, a serious question: Do you believe that, for instance, otters have a soul? They are one of our fellow beings, after all.

    I've never known any otters personally, but I seriously doubt that they have sectarian wars.

    Seems curious to me that all the extant religions claim to be peaceful, yet pogrom and war as almost as common now as they were... What, like last year, going back for the last five thousand?

    Which god were they fighting over?
     
  17. gebobs Registered Member

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    But only certain of your fellows. Not Muslims.
     
  18. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Then why do you decide that it has "no business" talking about a certain subject?
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

    I don't think that's true.
     
  20. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    It was surely true on the occasions I've seen, so it can't be that rare, and certainly not false on the face of it.

    Do you have some reason to think that I lie?
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    third possibility:
    True believers who regard themselves as having special and valuable insight will lie to conversion targets, on the basis that it's for their own good. That used to be a stereotype of the Jesuits, way back - that they deceived for God. It can even function, psychologically, as martyrdom: one risks one''s soul, to save another's. Judas Iscariot is supposed to have done something like that - sacrificed himself, knowingly risked his soul as well as his reputation, to fulfill the prophecies and see to what needed doing.

    Feel is that there's a connection with the placebo effect, the white coat bump in medicine's effectiveness.
     
  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    No. Nor do I have reason to think that every evangelist lies. I think the ones I have seen were sincere if misguided.
     
  23. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know which of us is luckier in that case..
     

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