Is Stephen Hawking Right?

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If you really feel that way, maybe you should find a remote forest and go live there by yourself.

How does that follow from what I said? I don't dislike other humans! I just feel strongly that we do not have the right to trample on another life bearing planet because we've screwed ours up. We should let evolution give that planet the same chance ours had, and not interfere.

After all humans are not important and therefore you are not important and you are going to die someday, so why not just end it now.

Because I enjoy life? But there's no benefit for me, that the human race continues, and you aren't making any sense.

Your logic just plane all around sucks. If you don't like being human that's just to bad.

'plane'? Please, if you are going to get on your high horse check you are using the right words. And of course I like being human, what a dumb thing to say.
 
How does that follow from what I said? I don't dislike other humans! I just feel strongly that we do not have the right to trample on another life bearing planet because we've screwed ours up. We should let evolution give that planet the same chance ours had, and not interfere.

The purpose of finding other places to live has nothing to do with (just because we screwed ours up), but has everything to do with not letting the luck of fate killing us off with one strike (like the dinosaurs).

If there is not already intelligent life on another world, I don't see any problem claiming it as ours, and whatever the other life is on that world will just have to learn to live with us as we will have to learn to live with it.
 
The purpose of finding other places to live has nothing to do with (just because we screwed ours up), but has everything to do with not letting the luck of fate killing us off with one strike (like the dinosaurs).

If there is not already intelligent life on another world, I don't see any problem claiming it as ours, and whatever the other life is on that world will just have to learn to live with us as we will have to learn to live with it.

Like we do with the animals that are living on this planet. Humans show no respect for other living creatures here so why would they change if they went to another planet?
 
We cannot survive in space. We'd need a planet. That planet, if it can support life, probably already does. It is not ours to take, and fuck up.

Why not? A planet with complex life on it is better than a planet without it.

Humans are not important.

In that case, single celled life on other planets is even less important.

So there is no point trying to prolong things at the expense of another planet. None.

Sure there is. Fun, adventure, art, evolutionary development, new sciences - lots of reasons.
 
It is very doubtful going to another planet will help the earth. The reason is, the amount of resources required, even for a dozen people to go, is huge. Try to multiply that by billions of people. The earth would need to be stripped naked of resources trying to cover that tab. To protect the earth and humanity, we would need to pillage the earth to ship people to another planet, dah.

Hawkins might be thinking in terms of only the elite able to go. We only can use enough resources to ship the most important and connected people. The pions need to stay, but shipping only the elite will leaves some resources. The question become, who decides who will go and who will stay, since we all can't go.

One second thought, maybe Hawkings is onto something. If we can get the elite to think and act like they are the only ones who are important enough to escape, this will purge the earth of many of its problem makers. They will think they are most important, so they will leave willingly. The earth is left with the pions who will restore the earth.

For example, say all the polititians pulled in favors to escape to Mars. Once the ships set sail and we all look depressed being left behind, one source of the problem is now gone. When out of eye-sight everyone cheers, since now we can rebuild. Once they get where there need to be, since there are no pions to manipulate, just a bunch of wolves, they will make each other extinct. The earth is purged. Hawkings is quite clever.
 
Personally I'd want to live on a planet, even if it's not the Earth. But it seems to me there will have to be some amount of living in space, before we will be able to find and reach a suitable planet and I'm sure there will be any number of volunteers that will be willing to do that job.

What need is there for habitable planets if you don't need food, water, oxygen, mild temperatures, air-pressure, gravity; what need is there if your immortal and take on a variety for forms?

I would guess our successors will find an asteroid more habitable than any muddy planet.
 
Like we do with the animals that are living on this planet. Humans show no respect for other living creatures here so why would they change if they went to another planet?

I don't want to seem callus towards other life forms, however I still know where I place humans on my priority list.
 
It is very doubtful going to another planet will help the earth. The reason is, the amount of resources required, even for a dozen people to go, is huge. Try to multiply that by billions of people. The earth would need to be stripped naked of resources trying to cover that tab. To protect the earth and humanity, we would need to pillage the earth to ship people to another planet, dah.

Hawkins might be thinking in terms of only the elite able to go. We only can use enough resources to ship the most important and connected people. The pions need to stay, but shipping only the elite will leaves some resources. The question become, who decides who will go and who will stay, since we all can't go.

One second thought, maybe Hawkings is onto something. If we can get the elite to think and act like they are the only ones who are important enough to escape, this will purge the earth of many of its problem makers. They will think they are most important, so they will leave willingly. The earth is left with the pions who will restore the earth.

For example, say all the polititians pulled in favors to escape to Mars. Once the ships set sail and we all look depressed being left behind, one source of the problem is now gone. When out of eye-sight everyone cheers, since now we can rebuild. Once they get where there need to be, since there are no pions to manipulate, just a bunch of wolves, they will make each other extinct. The earth is purged. Hawkings is quite clever.

While I appreciate your thoughts on this subject, we just don't have the resources to get rid of all the trouble makers. But I do believe if we can start taking advantage of all the resources in our solar system, we could revisit that thought of yours. :D
 
I would guess our successors will find an asteroid more habitable than any muddy planet.

Only if there is something worth mining on it. I think you are using the term 'muddy planet' rather loosely. Muddy implies water on a rocky world, and those are still in short supply.
 
i would be first in line to a another earth like planet, it would be like living in the old west, no rules, living on your own..as a species we need more room to grow..we are getting pretty crowded around here, 7 billion and growing..
 
i would be first in line to a another earth like planet, it would be like living in the old west, no rules, living on your own..as a species we need more room to grow..we are getting pretty crowded around here, 7 billion and growing..

They would only take younger volunteers than you or me. Even if they were to make a break through on transport to the stars, they wouldn't even let us get in line to go. But I do like your old west scenario on a new world. :D
 
Only if there is something worth mining on it.

Mine, no, we could live there, we just can't do it in flesh.

I think you are using the term 'muddy planet' rather loosely. Muddy implies water on a rocky world, and those are still in short supply.

No I mean its dirty, oxygen, covered with contaminates, space if far cleaner. Asteroids lack the gravity well and provide all the raw feedstock (including water) that a planet could.
 
It is very doubtful going to another planet will help the earth. The reason is, the amount of resources required, even for a dozen people to go, is huge. Try to multiply that by billions of people. The earth would need to be stripped naked of resources trying to cover that tab. To protect the earth and humanity, we would need to pillage the earth to ship people to another planet, dah.

Hawkins might be thinking in terms of only the elite able to go. We only can use enough resources to ship the most important and connected people. The pions need to stay, but shipping only the elite will leaves some resources. The question become, who decides who will go and who will stay, since we all can't go.

One second thought, maybe Hawkings is onto something. If we can get the elite to think and act like they are the only ones who are important enough to escape, this will purge the earth of many of its problem makers. They will think they are most important, so they will leave willingly. The earth is left with the pions who will restore the earth.

For example, say all the polititians pulled in favors to escape to Mars. Once the ships set sail and we all look depressed being left behind, one source of the problem is now gone. When out of eye-sight everyone cheers, since now we can rebuild. Once they get where there need to be, since there are no pions to manipulate, just a bunch of wolves, they will make each other extinct. The earth is purged. Hawkings is quite clever.
Ironically enough, if one wants to hypothetically entertain a planet governed under one sufficiently capable administration in order to meet a resource tab that demands high sacrifices, one would already have the means to solve 99% of the current global crises that are imminent.

:shrug:
 
I don't want to seem callus towards other life forms, however I still know where I place humans on my priority list.

But humans have exterminated over a thousand types of animals and many others are on the endangered species list today. If there are no animals left, there won't be any human life either.
 
Ironically enough, if one wants to hypothetically entertain a planet governed under one sufficiently capable administration in order to meet a resource tab that demands high sacrifices, one would already have the means to solve 99% of the current global crises that are imminent.

:shrug:

I'm with you on the one government idea, but I would argue about what you consider high sacrifices. In any event just being able to focus resources to get us past the energy predicament we find ourselves in would be a big first step. We need all the energy we need to be renewable and non polluting to our world. Everything we produce to consume that we currently throw away as trash needs to be recyclable with the appropriate laws to make it happen.
 
Why not? A planet with complex life on it is better than a planet without it.

Not true. What is most important, is leaving evolution alone to do what it does, and not interfering.

In that case, single celled life on other planets is even less important.

Not on it's own planet it isn't.


Sure there is. Fun, adventure, art, evolutionary development, new sciences - lots of reasons.

All things the indigenous intelligent population should be free to pursue should one evolve.
 
All things the indigenous intelligent population should be free to pursue should one evolve.

Glad you mentioned “indigenous intelligent population”. Of all the world that might have life on them. Very few will ever have an indigenous intelligent population and those that don't when we discover them are fair game for anything we want to do with them.
 
this doomsday lament is just a repackaging of armageddon crap
i on the other hand envision a beautifully terraformed utopia here on earth
 
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