Is Stephen Hawking Right?

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  1. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    How does that follow from what I said? I don't dislike other humans! I just feel strongly that we do not have the right to trample on another life bearing planet because we've screwed ours up. We should let evolution give that planet the same chance ours had, and not interfere.

    Because I enjoy life? But there's no benefit for me, that the human race continues, and you aren't making any sense.

    'plane'? Please, if you are going to get on your high horse check you are using the right words. And of course I like being human, what a dumb thing to say.
     
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  3. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    The purpose of finding other places to live has nothing to do with (just because we screwed ours up), but has everything to do with not letting the luck of fate killing us off with one strike (like the dinosaurs).

    If there is not already intelligent life on another world, I don't see any problem claiming it as ours, and whatever the other life is on that world will just have to learn to live with us as we will have to learn to live with it.
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Like we do with the animals that are living on this planet. Humans show no respect for other living creatures here so why would they change if they went to another planet?
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Why not? A planet with complex life on it is better than a planet without it.

    In that case, single celled life on other planets is even less important.

    Sure there is. Fun, adventure, art, evolutionary development, new sciences - lots of reasons.
     
  8. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    It is very doubtful going to another planet will help the earth. The reason is, the amount of resources required, even for a dozen people to go, is huge. Try to multiply that by billions of people. The earth would need to be stripped naked of resources trying to cover that tab. To protect the earth and humanity, we would need to pillage the earth to ship people to another planet, dah.

    Hawkins might be thinking in terms of only the elite able to go. We only can use enough resources to ship the most important and connected people. The pions need to stay, but shipping only the elite will leaves some resources. The question become, who decides who will go and who will stay, since we all can't go.

    One second thought, maybe Hawkings is onto something. If we can get the elite to think and act like they are the only ones who are important enough to escape, this will purge the earth of many of its problem makers. They will think they are most important, so they will leave willingly. The earth is left with the pions who will restore the earth.

    For example, say all the polititians pulled in favors to escape to Mars. Once the ships set sail and we all look depressed being left behind, one source of the problem is now gone. When out of eye-sight everyone cheers, since now we can rebuild. Once they get where there need to be, since there are no pions to manipulate, just a bunch of wolves, they will make each other extinct. The earth is purged. Hawkings is quite clever.
     
  9. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    What need is there for habitable planets if you don't need food, water, oxygen, mild temperatures, air-pressure, gravity; what need is there if your immortal and take on a variety for forms?

    I would guess our successors will find an asteroid more habitable than any muddy planet.
     
  10. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I don't want to seem callus towards other life forms, however I still know where I place humans on my priority list.
     
  11. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    While I appreciate your thoughts on this subject, we just don't have the resources to get rid of all the trouble makers. But I do believe if we can start taking advantage of all the resources in our solar system, we could revisit that thought of yours.

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  12. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Only if there is something worth mining on it. I think you are using the term 'muddy planet' rather loosely. Muddy implies water on a rocky world, and those are still in short supply.
     
  13. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    i would be first in line to a another earth like planet, it would be like living in the old west, no rules, living on your own..as a species we need more room to grow..we are getting pretty crowded around here, 7 billion and growing..
     
  14. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    They would only take younger volunteers than you or me. Even if they were to make a break through on transport to the stars, they wouldn't even let us get in line to go. But I do like your old west scenario on a new world.

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  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Mine, no, we could live there, we just can't do it in flesh.

    No I mean its dirty, oxygen, covered with contaminates, space if far cleaner. Asteroids lack the gravity well and provide all the raw feedstock (including water) that a planet could.
     
  16. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    If you have already thrown in the towel in the plight against bad intelligence, it really doesn't matter what other towels you choose to throw in or not throw in ....
     
  17. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    Ironically enough, if one wants to hypothetically entertain a planet governed under one sufficiently capable administration in order to meet a resource tab that demands high sacrifices, one would already have the means to solve 99% of the current global crises that are imminent.

    :shrug:
     
  18. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    But humans have exterminated over a thousand types of animals and many others are on the endangered species list today. If there are no animals left, there won't be any human life either.
     
  19. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    grrr..there always has to be someone to state the obvious..

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  20. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I'm with you on the one government idea, but I would argue about what you consider high sacrifices. In any event just being able to focus resources to get us past the energy predicament we find ourselves in would be a big first step. We need all the energy we need to be renewable and non polluting to our world. Everything we produce to consume that we currently throw away as trash needs to be recyclable with the appropriate laws to make it happen.
     
  21. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    Not true. What is most important, is leaving evolution alone to do what it does, and not interfering.

    Not on it's own planet it isn't.


    All things the indigenous intelligent population should be free to pursue should one evolve.
     
  22. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Glad you mentioned “indigenous intelligent population”. Of all the world that might have life on them. Very few will ever have an indigenous intelligent population and those that don't when we discover them are fair game for anything we want to do with them.
     
  23. Gustav Banned Banned

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    this doomsday lament is just a repackaging of armageddon crap
    i on the other hand envision a beautifully terraformed utopia here on earth
     
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