Is the brain necessary for consciousness?

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Magical Realist, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. river

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    Explain again .
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A condition does not necessarily have be of a physical nature. It can be an abstraction like our concept of 3 dimensions, like length, width, and height.
     
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  5. river

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    First , three dimensions is not an abstraction . 3 dimensions is fundamental to any existence of anything . Throught out the Universe .

    A condition is fundamentally based on the experience of the physical .
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right. They are not physical objects themselves. Same as Time is a measurement of a chronology

    I submit that it is the other way around.
     
  8. river

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    There not . Your right . But they are what make up the physical Universe . All physical objects have geometry , three dimensionally . They have always existed together , always , all three . They are not the same as time . Time is irrelavent . Time just measures movement by things . Taking away the measure of time does not alter any movement by any object .
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, they are the non-physical 3 spatial dimensions plus 1 temporal permission that guide the expressions of the physical Universe. The conditions that are the non-physical (abstract) properties of the universe.
     
  10. river

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    No they are not non-physical 3 dimensions . The physical came first not the dimensions . The 3 dimensions are based on the physical . Not mathematics dimensions .
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, no, the three dimensions exist independent of any physical presence. These are your words and I agree.
     
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    While I agree also with your general point, I would argue that dimension (3d volume etc) is directly contingent upon material substance.
    Take all of the substance out of this universe and you get zero dimensions.
    It is the presence of mater that grants this universe dimension.
    Also to further your point about values and abstractions, energy is a classic non-material property, yet profoundly present in this universe is it not?
    For example:
    E=mc^2 tells us what about the material/abstract nature of reality?
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I understand the argument. But IMO, a "length" is not a material object. It is a measurement of a material object.

    Allow me another example.
    Is "displacement" a material substance or a dimensional measurement? It is directly contingent upon a material object replacing a certain volume of space or substance.
    But these measurements are not material objects, in and of themselves. They are abstract mathematics.

    Are dimensions physical?

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  14. river

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    No they don't . The three dimensional physical existence is more than a presence , it is .

    Where are these words in the context of a single sentence , what post ?
     
  15. river

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    Wrong . The three physical properties , are Natural physical properties . No abstract thinking needed . Such as dimensions and the like .
     
  16. river

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    Nonsense . You will figure it out eventually .
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Here
    p.s. When I use the term "abstract" I mean non-physical, not some mystical thought process.
     
  18. river

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    P.S. non-physical is not possible . No matter the energy level .
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Dimensions have no energy. They are arbitrary non-physical measurements in spacetime geometry.

    Geometry
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry

    p.s. remember that the map is not the real thing.
     
  20. river

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    Your right dimensions have no energy unto themselves . But the physical three dimensional object does .
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    But we are not talking about three dimensional objects. We are talking about "dimensions" of objects and are not objects in and of themselves.
     
  22. river

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    For these dimensions to matter at all , means that they must become physical in the end .
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps that was causal to the BB? The universe wanted to matter?

    David Bohm wrote about that;

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