Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

[Buffalo Roam]

Being occupied is not a choice.

Killing innocent children with a ax is.

 

[Baron Max]

Being occupied is not a choice.

Sure it is! If the Palestinian people had formed a great and powerful army in the early 1900s, they could have stopped the "invasion" without a bit of trouble. See? They had a choice and chose not to use it.

Baron Max

 

[Arsalan]

Sure it is! If the Jewish people had formed a great and powerful army in the 1800s, they could have stopped the "holocaust" without a bit of trouble. See? They had a choice and chose not to use it.

Baron Max

:bugeye: Stepping inside your mind is scary at times

 

[S.A.M.]

Killing innocent children with a ax is.

And this?

In an unusually blunt criticism, the Geneva-based International Committee of the Red Cross said it had been seeking access to shell-damaged areas in Zeitoun in the east of Gaza City since Saturday but the Israeli authorities granted permission only on Wednesday — the first day that Israel allowed a three-hour lull in the attacks on Gaza on humanitarian grounds.

The statement said a team of four Palestine Red Crescent ambulances accompanied by Red Cross representatives made its way to Zeitoun Wednesday where it “found four small children next to their dead mothers in one of the houses. They were too weak to stand up on their own. One man was also found alive, too weak to stand up. In all, there were at least 12 corpses lying on mattresses.”

In another house, the statement said, the rescue team “found 15 other survivors of this attack including several wounded. In yet another house, they found an additional three corpses. Israeli soldiers posted at a military position some 80 meters away from this house ordered the rescue team to leave the area which they refused to do. There were several other positions of the Israeli Defense Forces nearby as well as two tanks.”

Because of berms built by Israeli forces, the ambulances could not enter the area so “the children and the wounded had to be taken to the ambulances on a donkey cart,” the statement said.

The statement quoted Pierre Wettach, an International Red Cross representative for Israel and the Palestinian areas, as calling the incident “shocking.”

“The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded,” he was quoted as saying.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/middleeast/09redcross.html

You pay for this.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

And this?



You pay for this.

And?

 

[S.A.M.]

And?

Pay per view? You choose to kill children every time you pay.

And everytime you ignore the dead children, you choose to kill the next one.

 

[StrawDog]

Big difference, Strawdog! The war was openly declared, the IDF told the Gazans that they were coming into Gaza, they openly and repeatedly told the civilians to leave the area, they dropped tons of fliers to warn the Gaza civilians. Not only did the Gazan civilians not leave the areas, the Hamas fighters used the Gazan civilians and civilians facilities as shields.

No, once again you are utterly in error.

1. The Palestinians had nowhere to flee to. This is common knowledge. If you are unaware of this you are either, dishonest or in denial. (no surprises there)
2. Regarding bias, the HRW is utterly neutral as you would know if you cared to read the report. The legal issues is laid out here: VI. Legal Standards. http://www.hrw.org/en/node/81726/section/7
Please feel free to debate any point in this document.

Nothing like that happened, not even close, with the ax hacking of a little Israeli boy.

What happened to that boy is atrocious and those responsible should be condemned. However.

My question is simple. Do you unconditionally condemn the IDF war crimes?

Big, big difference, Strawdog, and it's to your discredit that you can't see it.

My friend, there is no difference in atrocities committed under conditions of aggression, war and oppression.

It is merely a matter of scale. We can clearly see who leads in this regard.

You are clearly getting emotional over a slaughtered Israeli child, but yet you have not displayed any compassion for the 400 children slaughtered in Gaza. You are indeed a utter bigot.

 

[Baron Max]

And everytime you ignore the dead children, you choose to kill the next one.

Like you do when you ignore the thousands of India kids that die every day in India because of the lack of sanitary sewers?? Like that??

Baron Max

 

[S.A.M.]

Like you do when you ignore the thousands of India kids that die every day in India because of the lack of sanitary sewers?? Like that??

Baron Max

Not at all. Like you do when you think selling military weapons like flechettes that SHRED hundreds of children somehow gives you the moral ground to pass judgement on a man under occupation for killing two.

 

[Baron Max]

1. The Palestinians had nowhere to flee to.

Yes, they did. And many did flee and the IDF did nothing to hinder them, and in fact, helped them where they could.

2. Regarding bias, the HRW is utterly neutral as you would know if you cared to read the report.

Did you see where the UN chief of the region reprimanded his staff for being overly biased in their comments? Did you see his official letter to his staff about their continued political bias? Check it out.

My question is simple. Do you unconditionally condemn this? .... My friend, there is no difference in atrocities committed under conditions of aggression, war and oppression.

Atrocities, yes ...war, no. Big difference!

You are clearly getting emotional over a slaughtered Israeli child, but yet you have not displayed any compassion for the 400 children slaughtered in Gaza. You are indeed a utter bigot.

If there were 400 kids "slaughtered" in the war, it was unintentional and the Israeli army has repeated said they didn't intentionally target civilians. I believe them far, far more than I believe the reports coming out of Gaza. Gaza has been issuing such propaganda for decades ...and it wouldn't surprise me if we found out at some later date that Hamas actually killed those kids themselves just so they could blame the IDF!!!

Constant bullshit propaganda can come back and bite you in the ass if you're not careful. Just like the Afghanis claiming that no matter what is bombed, it's always a wedding party!! ...LOL!

Baron Max

 

[S.A.M.]

Yes, they did. And many did flee and the IDF did nothing to hinder them, and in fact, helped them where they could.

Where did they flee to?

 

[Baron Max]

Where did they flee to?

The parts of Gaza Strip that the IDF was not going to attack. Flyers were dropped, radio and tv, as well. And many did leave, there were videos of them carrying their belongings on their backs, or in donkey carts (you know, 21st century conveyances?!).

Baron Max

 

[S.A.M.]

The parts of Gaza Strip that the IDF was not going to attack. Flyers were dropped, radio and tv, as well. And many did leave, there were videos of them carrying their belongings on their backs, or in donkey carts (you know, 21st century conveyances?!).

Baron Max

How did they flee? Seeing as there was no fuel or electricity? Or food or water before the ground invasion? Especially since the tunnels were targeted first?

 

[Baron Max]

How did they flee? Seeing as there was no fuel or electricity?

They walked!! I just told you that ...with all their belongings on their backs or on donkey carts.

Or food or water before the ground invasion? Especially since the tunnels were targeted first?

???? You don't know how large Gaza Strip is, do you??? Look at a map, SAM, it's sometimes helpful. And I saw one on the Internet showing the IDF forces path and operations areas. Tons of areas the IDF didn't even touch.

Baron Max

 

[S.A.M.]

Actually, I saw it live. So yeah, I know exactly when Israel was bombing. Mostly during the time of "ceasefire" when people came out thinking they were safe/

 

[Baron Max]

Actually, I saw it live. So yeah, I know exactly when Israel was bombing. Mostly during the time of "ceasefire" when people came out thinking they were safe/

Pretty ignorant people to come out of hiding during a freakin' war! Geez, if Gazans are that damned stupid, now I see why they're still livin' in the 18th century in a shithole!

Just curious, SAM, but were those people coming out to join a wedding party?? ...LOL!

Baron Max

 

[StrawDog]

Yes, they did. And many did flee and the IDF did nothing to hinder them, and in fact, helped them where they could.

Like catch the 10am tram and head out West? You are deluded.

Did you see where the UN chief of the region reprimanded his staff for being overly biased in their comments? Did you see his official letter to his staff about their continued political bias? Check it out.

Of course Forest. That illustrates the honesty and openness of HRW and thus the INTEGRITY of said report. Nothing is hidden, its all on the table. As professional reports should be.

Atrocities, yes ...war, no. Big difference!

Stop shuffling around and answer the question. Are you condoning the use of WP on Palestinians?
Identified in the report as:

Based on in-depth investigations in Gaza, the report concludes that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) repeatedly exploded white phosphorus munitions in the air over populated areas, killing and injuring civilians, and damaging civilian structures, including a school, a market, a humanitarian aid warehouse and a hospital.

If there were 400 kids "slaughtered" in the war, it was unintentional and the Israeli army has repeated said they didn't intentionally target civilians. I believe them far, far more than I believe the reports coming out of Gaza. Gaza has been issuing such propaganda for decades ...and it wouldn't surprise me if we found out at some later date that Hamas actually killed those kids themselves just so they could blame the IDF!!!

The children were killed, slaughtered, murdered, executed, whatever term you wish to use. Hundreds of them. With blood and dreams, just like Israeli children. You are YET to show compassion.

Constant bullshit propaganda can come back and bite you in the ass if you're not careful. Just like the Afghanis claiming that no matter what is bombed, it's always a wedding party!! ...LOL!

You make Ted Bundy look like a really nice guy.

Shalom

 

[S.A.M.]

I agree. The Israelis have proved time and again they cannot be trusted. I guess they were distracted by the thought of luxuries like food for their children.

I remember one old woman who said if it was only her, she would wait out the war, but how could she watch her grandchildren starve? [the parents being dead and hence ineffectual]

So yeah, if the occasional Palestinian goes berserk, what you gotta do is say thanks to the millions of them who don't.

 

[Baron Max]

Stop shuffling around and answer the question. Are you condoning the use of WP on Palestinians?

The WP was used to provide smoke screens for the IDF troops. The WP was NOT used "ON" Palestinians. It was dropped and/or fired to provide smoke screens. Such is the hazards of war. Big difference between declared, announced war, and hacking kids to death with an axe.

The children were killed, slaughtered, murdered, executed, whatever term you wish to use. Hundreds of them. With blood and dreams, just like Israeli children. You are YET to show compassion.

Sure it wasn't millions? Perhaps billions? And they were all going to a wedding party, right? And those nasty IDF troops just gunned 'em all down, piled 'em up in giant bloody piles ...milliions of kids, perhaps billions, all dress up for the wedding parties, right?

Compassion? That's reserved for people or things that deserve it, not just tossed out willy-nilly. The Pals asked for the war by shooting rockets, if you want to blame someone, try Hamas.

Baron Max

 

[Baron Max]

So yeah, if the occasional Palestinian goes berserk, what you gotta do is say thanks to the millions of them who don't.

Yeah, but you should NEVER try to justify that one Pal who went beserk and killed kids with an axe!!

Baron Max