Josephus on jesus.

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  1. Ilikeponies579 Registered Member

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    I was just wondering if there are any writings from Josephus that are authentic, particularly the one about Jesus, I was wonder because I was told that the early church had forged a bunch of writings and relics in order to get people to believe, is the writing from Josephus about Jesus one of them?
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, widely believed by scholars to be a later addition.
     
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  5. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Josephus was birthed after Jesus died. Where did he get his reliable? info?
    He supposedly mentioned Jesus the Christ. Jesus or Yeshua was a common name & there were many christs or messiahs.
    IF it is authentic & this Jesus was important, Josephus would have said much more about him.
     
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  7. Jägermeister Registered Member

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    There are two references to Jesus by Josephus. The first is the Testimonium Flavianum (TF), the one that gives us details about Jesus. You can go here and read Olsons paper on why it was probably added by Eusebius in the fourth century AD. Interestingly, Goldbergs paper (Goldberg, G. J. 1995 "The Coincidences of the Emmaus Narrative of Luke and the Testimonium of Josephus" The Journal for the Study of the Pseudepigrapha) suggests that part of the TF has parallels to part of the gospel according to Luke. Why Eusebius would do this is strange, so perhaps Josephus did reference Jesus in the TF, which was then doctored by Eusebius. If so, it would appear Josephus got his information from a Christian source, meaning the TF is not independent.

    The second reference is to the brother of Jesus. When discussing people, Josephus usually mention the person being talked about first, followed by their relation to distinguish who he is talking about. The second reference does not follow this format, suggesting it was a Christian interpolation, probably before 248 AD, when Origen apparently references this passage.
     

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