Let's make this thread an online English Class

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by curioucity, Sep 1, 2003.

  1. curioucity Unbelievable and odd Registered Senior Member

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    Hi

    Calls to those with english problem and perfect 10 english
    If you wish to ask something about english, post it here, and if you know english, please answer the posts

    By the way, here's my question:
    Which one is correct?
    1) It is not you who are calling me, but it is I who am calling you
    2) It is not you who is calling me, but it is I who is calling you
     
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  3. SoLiDUS OMGWTFBBQ Registered Senior Member

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    The former seems correct but I am not ready to wager my life on it yet.

    --> It is not I who will sacrifice his life for the group, but the group
    who will sacrifice itself for me!

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  5. kazakhan Registered Abuser Registered Senior Member

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    I would use:-
    It is not you who is calling me, but it is I who am calling you.
     
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  7. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    It is not you who is calling me, but I who is calling you....
    I was just typing it to see what I would say.
    I don't know if its correct, probably not, I wasn't much of a student.
     
  8. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Well ....

    The verb in question should be "am", but it's a horrible sentence anyway

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    "It is not you who is calling me, but rather I am calling you."
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I think the correct version would be:

    "It is not you who is calling me, but me who is calling you."

    Putting in the missing words gives:

    "It is not you who is calling me, but (it is) me who is calling you."

    Personally, I'd leave out the who all together:

    "It is not you calling me, but me calling you."

    (I'm betting this post will generate some more discussion.)
     
  10. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    It is not you who is calling me, but it is I who am calling you. (Wrong to me)

    I'm calling you, your not calling me.

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    (Right to me)
     
  11. Raithere plagued by infinities Valued Senior Member

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    "I called you."

    Why be redundant?

    ~Raithere
     
  12. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    You are not calling me I am calling you.

    But I like Raithere's brevity.
     
  13. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    A tool for your papers

    i used this template when writing thesis style papers. i did it up based on something handout from the writing clinic or whatever on campus. found it helpful because until i saw this I didn't get it.

    INTRODUCTION


    1) OPENING STATEMENT:
    (Gets the reader's attention. Sets the tone. Can introduce the general topic.)

    2) BACKGROUND:
    (Develops shared knowledge or common ground with the reader for what follows. Narrows the topic in preparation for the position statement, or THESIS.


    3) THESIS:
    (The one sentence__the one idea __ you and the reader to remember when all else is forgotten.)

    4) PROCEDURE STATEMENT:
    (Usually only on longer papers; tells the reader the game plan for your explanation/argument. Absent on short papers.)



    BODY

    FOR EACH PARAGRAPH (AS MANY ARE NECESSARY)
    1) TOPIC SENTENCE:
    (Introduces the topic of the paragraph without necessarily stating your whole position on this point (but it can if you like). Tell the reader what this paragraph will cover.)



    2) EXPLANATION/EXAMPLES:
    (The meat of the matter. Gives the reader a point-by-point explanation, illustrated with examples, or develops more fully this paragraph's main idea or step in the argument. Relate this idea to the thesis.)




    3) SUMMARY OR CONCLUDING STATEMENT:
    (Ties together loose ends, sums up the main point, or clearly, succinctly states the position or conclusion on this point. Last chance to relate this main idea to the thesis.



    4) PARAGRAPH TRANSISTION:
    (Tells the reader you are moving on to the next point. Hints at or foreshadows the next point (in the next paragraph) without becoming as specific as a topic sentence.)
    REPEAT



    CONCLUSION

    1) RESTATEMENT OF THESIS
    (Same meaning--in different words--as the thesis in the INTRO. If not, rethink what your thesis really is or should be.)



    2) SUMMARIZE MAIN POINTS
    (Without re-explaining each body paragraph. No new information here! If you have new info, revise it into the body paragraph to include it.)



    3) GENERALIZATIONS/IMPLICATIONS
    Lots of possibilities: a) generalizes this thesis to other applications; b) discuss implications of this thesis if true or false; c) discuss the impact of this thesis in general terms; d) raise questions for future discussion/investigatoin; e) final touch on emotional tone (in literary essays only--not appropriate for business or scientific writing)
     
  14. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    and if you say it like that you need to get that kind of psychotic kind robert deniro kind of thing happening. that way they know you mean it.

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  15. everneo Re-searcher Registered Senior Member

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    u no call i call ok yeah.
     
  16. curioucity Unbelievable and odd Registered Senior Member

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    I think I should mend the question a bit:

    Fill it in please...

    It is not you who ___ called, but it is I who ___ called

    They seem to be just similar....
     
  17. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously, your sentence is bad.

    Try:

    "You didn't call me, I called you."

    In your context "is" almost works, but it doesn't quite do it. The main reason is that your wording is redundant and awkward. The "it is" part is simply superfluous. Ah, you're flirting with mixing tenses. You're saying "it is", which is present tense in the same context as "called" which is past tense. Then you do it again in the second half of the sentence. Unless you're trying to deliberately sound awkward, you should change the sentence. I do believe it's grammatically flawed given the mixed tense thing.
     
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  18. curioucity Unbelievable and odd Registered Senior Member

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    how should I fill in my blanks then?
    But I think I can accept that the sentence is a bit redundant...
     
  19. Duhhh Wha who? Registered Member

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    how bout, Stop fucking calling!
     
  20. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    If you HAVE to use that sentence, use the "is" one. Your number 2 in your original post.
     
  21. thefountainhed Fully Realized Valued Senior Member

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    You are assuming a past when the sentence could imply a future or a present.

    As for the sentence:
    1. It is not you calling me, rather, it is I calling you.
    2. You are not calling me, I am calling you.
    3. I am calling you, not the opposite.
    4. I am calling you.
    5. You are not calling me.
     
  22. certified psycho Beware of the Shockie Monkey Registered Senior Member

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    i would have to the first one
    it just sounds right
     
  23. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    LOL but..

    nevermind

    My guess is that english isn't your first language?
     

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