That sentence by itself doesn't presume anything, but may have connotations to go along with it. The point being, though, is that I did not specially presume anything. The undertones were that, yes, maybe these things do have some significance to them, because members on a science forum have not even tried debunking them yet. I'm not saying this proves aliens came to Earth or anything. Like I said, it could be time travel, a lost human civilization, etc. Any number of things that all have equal weight. :thumbsup: And they still haven't replied to you or I's evidence (which I am claiming to be so)! When I reference Atlantis, I am specifically referring to your suggestion of "mankind's achievements in the distant past". Hasn't there just been ruins discovered under the ocean which I saw on the world news? I haven't looked into it however, and I'm not saying it's the Atlantis referred to in history, but a sort of Atlantis, which can mean now, just a lost city. Such as a Frisbee can mean a flying disc, or Jell-O can mean gelatin deserts. I don't believe such advancements like helicopters can be developed in a known historical city and we have absolutely no evidence for it overflowing from the texts. If it was mankind that made these things in the past, I believe it would have to be a lost civilization we know next to nothing about, who came and visited other civilizations we do know about periodically. I am no more "flying off into the fantastic" than you are. This is all speculation that cannot be proved and all have the same weight like I said. We are trying to fit an explanation for these evidences.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!