Marijuana Good, bad or undecided?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by soullust, Apr 27, 2010.

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the title explains it all.

  1. Good

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  2. bad

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    31.0%
  3. undecided

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  1. domesticated om Cartoon character Valued Senior Member

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    It's also worth mentioning that it doesn't even need to be smoked at all in the first place. It's actually edible/palatable. People can make all sorts of intoxicating foods with it (effectively eliminates the lung-health dangers altogether). This is not to say that its still 100% harmless or healthy - in fact, I'm interested to know if there are any studies on the dietary effects?
     
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  3. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Eating Cannabis in the form of something like a "spacecake", will likely cause a person to become completely incapable of doing anything for a few days (if they eat a sufficient volume). Since it relies upon the body digesting it, the effects are a prolonged slow release.

    If sufficient volume is consumed it can cause hallucinations, as well as uncontrollable giggle fits (at least in the first few hours).

    As for what it actually does to the body, well obviously the brain has an increase of dopamine produced, which is the brains neural transmittion relay's. Increasing neural activity beyond the realms of normal will induce thoughts beyond rational reasoning (which can be a form of Pseudo-Schizophenia). This could lead to increased anxiety, over time the effects will be that the brain has "overclocked" for a duration and needs rest, this is when the brain starts to have chemicals produced caused by fatigue.

    These fatigue chemicals are what cause the sluggishness of a severely doped user and a prolonged "fatigue" state will damage the bodies immune system, cause neurological atrophy (Neural paths will not form/function correctly under and continuous fatigue state, causing potentially permenant damage.)

    Obviously the ingested version is more potent than a person that smokes (unless they are using certain types of apparatus), while it negates the lung/tar complaints, in the wrong dose or constant misuse it is unhealthy.
     
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  5. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    There has been tests by major universities, and weed does not leave tar in your lungs not even close as much as tobaco.

    but yeah there have been lots of tests, and they all turn up good.

    read the thread and watch my videos,
     
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  7. sly1 Heartless Registered Senior Member

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    -Legal - its a plant and the notion of it being illegal is rather silly.
    -Good or bad hmm I lean toward neither honestly.
    -Not sure Im not a scientist and havn't done many studies but I would think most studies involving correlation are invalid due to the fact that sooooo many people have probably used marijuana or tried it in their lifetimes that almost all hard core drug users have also been marijuana users.

    And if studies were valid marijuana is the least of our worries as alcohol would be the number one gateway drug for pretty much everything known to man.
     
  8. domesticated om Cartoon character Valued Senior Member

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    From personal observation, the few times I've tried brownies or marinol, the only difference I noticed was that it took a bit longer to really kick in (20 to 30 minutes instead of within 5 minutes) - but the "high" was essentially the exact same. Wore off after three or 4 hours just like the normal stuff. It also had a slower "peak"....where smoking caused an immediate high before fading away, the edible version sorta sneaks up on you.

    As far as "not being functional", I would say quite the opposite. My friends and I were doing all the normal active stuff that young people do from 5pm to 6am (or so)....going to bars, playing pool, walking around the neighborhood, eating more brownies, watching movies, shooting the breeze, etc.
     
  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    That's a reason that people shouldn't try taking it by ingestion without proper supervision, and never until they've become familiar with it by using a vaporizer (or smoking, in the old days). You need to know what size dose is right for you. If you didn't get enough, you have to wait too long to find out, and if you got too much, by the time you find out it's too late to take less. If you take too much you'll end up with the exact symptoms you described. Duh?

    Still, you're exaggerating. THC has a half-life of one to two hours in most people, so you'd have to use a shovel to get so much into your body that you'd still be feeling it two days later. The only person I ever knew who had an experience like that was allergic to wheat and had strangely neglected to tell anyone, as she picked up a peanut butter cookie and shoved it in her mouth. The combination of an allergic reaction and an unfamiliar high was kind of hard on her, but even she--a statistical outlier and an idiot on top of it--was out of the hospital in only two days.
    It digests through the stomach walls like caffeine and alcohol, so you don't have to wait for your intestines to metabolize it. You don't get the instant rush that you do from vapor (or smoke) but if you have an empty stomach you'll start feeling it in about fifteen minutes.
    You sure run with a wacky crowd. I go back to the 1960s and no one I ever knew had a genuine hallucination. Giggles, well okay, but ain't nothin' wrong with that. Sometimes the world just looks pretty silly.
    What a biased, negative viewpoint. Most people experience this as either creativity in their art, or as finding something new in a familiar song/painting/tree/pet/food/other situation.

    Of course there's a correlation with intelligence. Marijuana seems to suppress left-brain activity and give the artistic/creative hemisphere a chance to take over. Of course this means that people with low IQs shouldn't use it because they'll forget how to operate the stove or just sit around playing find-your-foot. But it's a real boon for left-hemisphere-dominated people like engineers, lawyers and computer programmers. It gives them a few hours to paint, write poetry or compose songs, without their brains being overwhelmed with logic.
    Every drug high has a period at the end when you have to come down, but used properly marijuana's is more gentle than just about any other. Since grass tends to be an appetite stimulant, just about the time you're coming down you get a blood sugar slump and simply fall asleep.
    Dude, is this some shit you read in a book, or perhaps heard it in the fraudulent this-is-your-brain-on-drugs D.A.R.E. campaign? You seem like a typical American because you didn't present us with any statistics on the probability of that actually happening to anyone. If you eat your happy brownie on a rainy day, I suspect that you're more likely to be killed by lightning than to be the victim of these scary pharmalogical scenarios. The number of Americans who experience any serious kind of problems due to marijuana is minuscule. Of course it's a big country so there are a few, but you're far more likely to break your neck in your bathtub, and who worries about that? Meanwhile something like ten thousand people a year are killed by prescription medications.
    I don't know how you're measuring that. It generally takes about five times as much dope to get equivalently high by ingestion as by inhalation, although it may last about twice as long. That still makes inhalation 2.5 times as "potent" as swallowing.
    Welcome to the 21st century. Everybody would be using vaporizers and nobody would be smoking any more if the stuff was legal. In some jurisdictions vaporizers can be classified as "paraphernalia" (even though the instructions carefully show you how to use it for tobacco and yogi herbs) so people are afraid to get caught with one. Yet another example of the deleterious second-order effects of prohibition. "Make it illegal and then show people how bad it is for their health."

    Unsanitary syringes, incorrect concentrations, contaminated chemicals, bathtub gin with wood alcohol, these are all problems caused by prohibition, not by the drugs themselves. Not to mention cops and D.A.s on the take, otherwise responsible taxpayers being thrown in jail, Mexico turning into a war zone, $18 billion in heroin money going into the Taliban treasury.
    Did you go to a school run by the shit-for-brains government? That statement is true of pretty much ANYTHING!!!

    I remember about 25 years ago the police chief of L.A. said in an interview that he wished the cops were allowed to shoot marijuana users. The immediate response from the younger people was, "That's the only way you could make our drugs as dangerous as the ones you old farts take!"
     
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  10. Non-Logical-Idea-Guy Fat people can't smile. Registered Senior Member

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    I'm afraid in this sense you're wrong, most government research does not actually deem pot bad, for example president Nixon's Shafer report deemed pot fine and not worthy of 'any criminal penalty' and recommended it's legalisation. However, Nixon simply disregarded the report he himself commissioned, similarly, Professor Nut of the British government recently recommended pot's legalisation along with MDMA = he was sacked. It's not that government research says it's bad, it's that government ignores it's research if it says it's good.

    Nearly all research points in favour of pot legalisation.
     
  11. Non-Logical-Idea-Guy Fat people can't smile. Registered Senior Member

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  12. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    I never seen nothing about Ecstasy (MDMA).

    But yes, There was studies, done, Government, and Private over the last at least 100 years, and there was never a bad report, (That had Credentials worthy of my legalization cause). LEGALIZING WEED WILL WILL BE THE BEST THING EVER, Hard drug use will drop, weed will do wonders for a mild pain killer, fuck just think of what all them Tylenol, aspirin, ibuprofen pills etc are doing to your kidneys...

    Yet weed is illegal and suppling the black market with billions, of easy revenue, that they can use to finance a cocaine set up...while were spending trillions on wrongly convicted pot heads inside a jail cell, so they can be released then go get some weed and play video games again.


    Our damn Elites are morons, They play us like kids, and illegal pot is just another one of there dictating nonsense we allow them to force on us because were nothing but puppets till we realize were the ones with the power, and stop allowing them to force there injustices on us.
     
  13. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    That's only true up to a limit - beyond a certain concentration in your blood, the drugs present in smoke/vapor won't cross through your lungs into your bloodstream. So there's a sort of built-in ceiling to how high you can get by smoking. But when you eat the stuff you have your digestive system actively breaking it down and transferring it into your bloodstream and so there's effectively no limit to the concentration you can achieve. This is why even experienced smokers who eat large doses end up experiencing effects well beyond what they get from smoking (reportedly you can get all the way up into actual psychedelic experiences, although you have to eat considerable amounts to do it - as in, several grams of high-grade hash or the equivalent).

    Or that's what they told me in Psych class back in college anyway. Anyone with expert knowledge in drug metabolism is welcome to weigh in...

    At the end of the day, the only real acute medical risk with marijuana that bears mentioning is the possibility of panic attack. A small percentage of people don't react to it well, and experience panic/anxiety attacks. But even these are not really threatening to life and limb on their own (i.e., provided you aren't driving a car or operating a chainsaw at the time) - they're mostly just scary. People start hyperventillating, or believe that they're dieing, and most never touch the stuff again. For the other 98% of the population, the risks amount to chronic damage to the lungs and oral tissues and stuff like that (much of which can be eliminated by using a vaporizer, or injesting orally).
     
  14. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    Dude I am smoking a bowl of weed right now, I smoked steady for 17 year.

    I get xrays, check ups, blood work etc twice a year, my lungs are A1, Perfect Health, Still Nice and red, seen pictures last year when I asked them to send a camera down. (Free Health Care, IS GOOD!!!)

    but anyhow, Smoking weed through a bong will make it Practically harmless, trust me.
     
  15. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    Good, job with the votes guys.

    Keep them coming.
     
  16. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    unfortunatly since it is a political issue and not up for majority vote, we are just..:wallbang:
     
  17. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    Hey it has to start somewhere, And if the politicians see how much we want this, as a majority. They have to take some kind of action because it is not fair.
     
  18. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    Bump.

    I Need 100 votes to make a semi accurate statistic.

    And i thought of the thread because i just hit my bong

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  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    That's true. I'm tired of smoking it. Lately, I have been preparing a marijuana tincture with alcohol. In slang terms, this is called Green Dragon. You chop the stuff up very fine, bake it at low temps to bring out the THC, and boil it with everclear 190 proof in a double boiler for about 20 minutes, then strain out the vegetable matter. It's fantastic. I brew it so that 4-8 eye dropper fulls will keep me stoned almost all day (to varying degrees). The effects are much more pronounced, more like opium, than if I were to smoke it.
     
  20. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Again this entire thread so far proves my point about too many people being one or other camp to actually give any accurate data. It's basically a loaded question, no answer is going to be correct in accordance to whoever "believes" their answer to be correct.

    In other words Cannabis and it's legal status, is much like Religion.... All Rhetoric.

    As for a Poll, you will not get accurate results. It doesn't take much for instance to join some pro-camp on Facebook and spam "sign my poll!!!11111one" , so the results in the poll aren't shaped by individual responses but individuals "vote rigging".
     
  21. soullust Registered Senior Member

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    This pole is all Honest votes with no vote rigging, And science has Clearly proved that, cannabis weed, pot, hemp what ever you want to call it is good for crime, good for the economy, good for the environment, with little or no bad consequences, so the nay sayers are just Brain washed by 1970 error Propaganda.
     
  22. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Absolute Rubbish.

    Science has not proven anything of the sort. All you have is Political rhetoric from pro-smokers or anti-smokers.
     
  23. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    It's on the ballot in Ca. in November. that is if AZ. doesn't turn off the lights :m:
     

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