May one prove that Egypt had advanced technology or knowledge?

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  1. rakovsky Registered Member

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    The pyramids of Egypt are fascinating mind puzzles. The claim that Egypt had technology or knowledge that would be advanced even by modern standards is interesting and curious. The theory seems to rely on ideas that the pyramids and other Egyptian objects show signs of manufacture with advanced equipment and engineering. But, not being an engineering specialist, this is not clear to me. I know Egypt had the workforce at Giza to accomplish the pyramids in their scale, but the design, intent, engineering of the pyramids is unclear to me in its nature.

    Adding to this difficulty is the fact that those who propose theories of ancient astronauts, supernatural technology or other advanced knowledge or equipment rarely seem to have their work published in serious publications. I understand that the scientific establishment is very very skeptical of such theories, but it seems nonetheless that there should still be occasional publications on this among the many journals available in the last 30 years or so if the proposition of ancient advanced engineering technology were true and real.

    With that in mind I wish to ask:

    1. What is the best evidence of such advanced technology in Egypt?

    2. Can you recommend scholarly articles within a few pages that are persuasive on the topic, the kind that you could actually use in a real research paper?

    3. What is the best evidence, if any, that the pyramid was used as something other than a tomb?

    4. Do you think potential excavations could reveal new amazing finds like we had with the Rosetta stones and pyramid texts, or like Edgar Cayce imagined/claimed with the Hall of Records?
     
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  3. rakovsky Registered Member

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    The pyramids are a puzzle, which is why they are so interesting.

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    When I turn to scholarly sources that could actually be used to write a paper on the ancient advanced technology theory, they strongly tend to be debunking ones like:


    Cazeau, Charles, Ancient Astronauts, Response
    http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4684-3533-7_5

    Regrettably, what Heyerdahl says is true, and von Däniken’s challenge largely falls on deaf scientific ears.

    Colavito, Jason, Origin of Space Gods
    http://www.jasoncolavito.com/uploads/3/7/5/9/3759274/the_origins_of_the_space_gods.pdf

    Fritze, R. H. "On the Perils and Pleasures of Confronting Pseudohistory." Historically Speaking 10.5 (2009): 2-5. Project MUSE. Web. 14 Aug. 2016.

    What Does God Need with a Starship?: UFOs and Extraterrestrials in the Contemporary Religious Landscape
    Erik A. W. Östling
    The Oxford Handbook of New Religious Movements: Volume II

    Chariots of the Gods? And All That: Pseudo-History in the Classroom, H. E. Legrand and Wayne E. Boese
    The History Teacher, Vol. 8, No. 3 (May, 1975), pp. 359-370

    Velarde, Robert, DID ANCIENT EXTRATERRESTRIALS VISIT EARTH? (below)
    http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAF9376.pdf

    A few don't seem to be debunking ones.

    This looks interesting:

    Alternative Archaeology: Many Pasts in Our Present
    Author: Pia Andersson1
    Source: Numen, Volume 59, Issue 2-3, pages 125 – 137 Publication Year : 2012
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Looking for an extraterrestrial answer for construction successes of our forebears is imho really stupid, biased, and ill informed.
    Whatever drove the ancients to punch above their weight from gobekli tepe to stonehenge to the pyramids seems to have abated. Or has it?
     
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  7. rakovsky Registered Member

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    With practically zero scholarly academic scientific published literature supporting Advanced Lost technology theories, they feel very very hard for me to affirm as an educated person.

    Yeah Gobekli Tepe is amazing and 10,000 years old, and yeah the pyramids are puzzles, but this does not mean the answer to the puzzle is Advanced Technology now lost, even though it feels cool to theorize it.
     
  8. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Harry Potter's family took a holiday to Egypt and were very impressed by the magic spells that were still operative after three thousand years.
     
  9. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    What do we know about the pyramid builders?
     
  10. rakovsky Registered Member

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    We have some art of themselves from c.2160 BC:

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    Model of a Carpenter's Workshop, from the Tomb of Chancellor Meketre
     
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    I do not see any evidence of advanced technology in the construction of the pyramids, just human ingenuity.
    Unfortunately, no. I have never seen a scholarly peer reviewed article that implies that the pyramid builders had advanced technology. I have only seen those types of claims from nuts, such as Edgar Cayce.
    Well, I think it is clear it was to be a monument to the pharaoh not just a tomb.
    I think there are more amazing findings to be discovered which will help us to further understand the fascinating world of ancient Egypt. I do not think there is anything to discover beyond the normal technology of that time however.
     
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  12. rakovsky Registered Member

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    Where would you recommend digging, ORIGIN?
    I think there are more rooms to be discovered in the great pyramid. Ancient ETs or not, it's a giant puzzle.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/var...ts-of-Egypt-s-pyramids-gets-French-boost.html
     
  13. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed. It is a common fallacy to presume that ancient people were idiots or technically incompetent, when they were just as intelligent as ourselves and had considerable manpower and time at their disposal. We seem to see the same sort of error even on modern timescales: There are young people today who find it almost inconceivable that we put men on the moon without on-board computers, or that people of my generation went through university with no more than a slide rule to aid calculation.

    There is considerable evidence that the ancient Egyptians had a sophisticated civilisation, so there is no reason to jump to exotic conclusions about how the pyramids were built.
     
  15. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Some vaguely I remember reading In the past stone was cut with copper wire and then into the groove was poured vinegar repeatedly
     
  16. rakovsky Registered Member

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    I meant where to physically dig in Egypt to find amazing discoveries?

    But for that matter, is there direct evidence of lost advanced technology by the Indus? I know there are stories about ancient god battles and vimanas, but vimanas I've heard could be a reference to temples. And anyway, myths aren't necessarily literally true.
     
  17. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Technology is technology ,myths is different . I believe backed bricks stated in india. they have a very advance water system. Even if you want yo explore their technology ,just look on the craftsmanship of their tempels.
     

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