Proof of reality

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Saint, May 30, 2021.

  1. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    How to prove that we are real, not existing in the mind of a God/Devil ?
    Is it possible that this world is a 3-dimensional computer existing in the mind of a God/Devil.
    One day when He shutdown the power (mass is energy, no energy no mass), we just disappear.
     
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    To whom?
    Sure, but that means there is another, bigger world in which the God/devil exist.
    So? Who's going to notice?
     
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  5. foghorn Registered Senior Member

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    Or is the idea that there is a ''God/Devil'' something that exists in the minds of some people.
     
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  7. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    But each temporal part of you is eradicated forever an instant after it is "born", anyway. That is, if you or the majority of people believe in presentism. IOW, from that "commonsense" perspective about time, it's questionable that a particular state of you ever endures long to be considered tangibly "real" (independent of a process).

    Everyday existence conceived as such a process -- the constant procedural generation of short-lived events -- may pretty much correspond to what a simulated reality is or what the coherent dream of a demiurge would be. If the past of such an oneirocosm (dream world) is only retained as information conserved in each algorithmic reiteration of the world. A quite useless type of past, BTW, with respect to any construing of its preserved and largely irretrievable "information about a past living person" equating to that individual still existing as one does "now" (both as something conscious and something with a body).

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    temporal part: One of the increments of development of an object (either non-living or living) from its beginning to its end, potentially measured to at least a yoctosecond (so to include the rate of subatomic changes).
     
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  8. river

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    Our Universe , our World , Galaxies , Stars and their existence has nothing to do with life existing . These physical high energy things , heat energy . Are three dimensional by Nature . Hence real physical things .
     
  9. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I believe I am in the midst of Heaven in a meditated slumber as we speak, but my human body is not self and exist inside my own imagination instead of the other way around.
     
  10. river

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    The Human Body and Brain is not imaginary .
     
  11. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    This world is naturally here but I am here as a imaginary being.
     
  12. river

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    Prove it .
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    There's no need to worry about that.

    There's only a problem if you think that we are existing in the mind of a God/Devil, in which case you need to go and collect some evidence to prove that positive claim.

    But also: what of it? Suppose we do exist in the mind of a God/Devil. What then? Does this impact our lives at all? Is there anything we can do about it?
    That's the same question.
    Not worth worrying about. You wouldn't know it if it happened. Right?
     
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  14. river

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    A bunch of non-sense to me .
     
  15. river

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    Terrific post , James R
     
  16. river

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    Think of Humanity .

    No mass no light energy . For example ; think about the sourse of visable light in the Stary Sky . Then think about the other wave lengths of the electromagnetic spectrum . Coming from these spheres of energy . 360° .
     
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  17. river

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    Because neither can control all of our thinking .
     
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  18. river

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    NO , Because neither can control all of our thinking .

    Neither is perfect .
     
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  19. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Since we are conscious beings, wouldn't that be ''proof?'' (at least to ourselves)
     
  20. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    I should hope so, since that's the point. By the time "you" or "I" even completed the sentence or thought "I am real", that inciting individual has ceased to exist -- has been replaced by countless microscopically distinct bodies that have likewise expired. (In the context of presentism, anyway.)

    IOW, it is inconsistent (nonsense) to be gravely concerned about the status of a substantive reality (as the OP is) if one also piously believes in presentism (the past does not exist, the future does not exist). Due to the latter being the very exemplar of transient entities states merely outputted by a process. In contrast to having enduring, substantive be-ing.

    Akin to the dissonance of wanting to prevent a forest fire by smoking three packs of cigarettes a day on a wooded landscape that's blanketed with a layer of pine needles. Magnificent temples erected to human idiocy, in our parading such conflicting orientations.

    So if one is a die-hard presentist, then one should wallow in one's superficial, yoctosecond long ephemerality, as that is warranted. Shout it celebration-wise it to a similarly short-lived world that is distinct at a subatomic level from its expunged predecessor.

    If one is instead an eternalist, then oppositely bellow about the endurance of that sequence of differences stretching from biological conception to death.

    However, before overly eager expectations arise as a consequence of the revelation, set those self-interests aside. Since dropping the contradiction (nonsense) will arouse no sense of obligation in the universe: "Your underlying motivation is in error, Grasshopper. There are no material rewards for either accepting My materiality (persisting totality of variations) or denying it.".
     
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  21. river

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    The Material is real . As is Life . Life can manipulate material , if advanced enough , like the bronze age to the present .
     
  22. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    My body is drawn up from samsara and will return to it, but my consciousness is from Heaven, thus creating a non-self avatar of
    myself waiting in a deep meditated slumber so I can counter the devil coming into samsara and still maintain perfect faith.
     
  23. river

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    So you haven't figured your way out of samsara . It seems so .
     

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