Proof of the supernatural

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by garbonzo, Mar 9, 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. brokenbutnotbeat Registered Member

    Messages:
    75
    it worked for me, and i think it could work for others, science may rule it out, but you should never rule something out. but you should only try it after rational solutions don't work.
     
  2. Guest Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,951
    Unless it's blatantly stupid.
    You know, like claiming it's demons or some such sh*t.

    Oh you mean "When you can't think of anything else be an idiot", that sort of thing?

    Belief doesn't make things real.

    No one has.
    Unless you meant it exactly as worded - those who performed the "cleansings and blessings" have benefited - because it's increased the respect they've gained from the terminally gullible.
     
  4. Guest Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,787
    No. Unexplained means there is no current explanation.
    If you label something as natural or supernatural then you are claiming that the explanation, whatever it may be, sits within that realm.
    But unexplained is not synonymous with supernatural, and to think so is simply wrong.
     
  6. Guest Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. brokenbutnotbeat Registered Member

    Messages:
    75
    I'm just glad I'm in tune with the spiritual world, some go their whole lives being miserable, not knowing that their might be an option to get rid of their misery.
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,951
    Um, you're not "in tune with the spiritual world", although you may hold the mistaken belief that you are.

    And some, apparently, spend their lives being deluded not knowing that there's an option to become educated ...
     
  9. brokenbutnotbeat Registered Member

    Messages:
    75
    I would say, I am enlightened, because i don't just see things the way they appear, and I can agree that there are things science cannot explain, because it's not in science's domain.
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,951
    Then you're wrong.

    Um, by definition that's EXACTLY what you do - see things as they appear.

    Certainly.
    But NOT the type of crap you're espousing.
     
  11. brokenbutnotbeat Registered Member

    Messages:
    75
    well, I'm only saying it because it worked for me and it could work for others, isn't that the same as when you recommend a solution to someone? I only say it because I have a different perspective on someone.

    This thread is about the proof of supernatural, i think that the supernatural plays a huge role in our lives, most ignore it, others don't and they benefit. This is what I believe in, I think there's a difference between mental illness and demonic possession

    http://messiahshouseofyahvah.org/ArticlesAndMore/DemonPossession.V.MentalIllness.html

    i'm not the only one with my set of beliefs, and there's no harm in anything i say. only offering alternatives.
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,951
    Zero evidence.

    And, after over 300 posts, none has come forward.

    That's because you're irrational.

    And your link doesn't actually support that.

    Apart from the promotion of irrational unscientific crap you mean?
     
  13. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,787
    Can you describe what "worked for" you?
    Are you sure that it is not the act of believing that helps you rather than any reality behind what you believe in?
    For some it is simply their belief in God, in the supernatural, that gives them strength, guidance etc. But do not confuse that with the veracity of what it is they believe in: the act of believing might have its own rewards irrespective of whether what is believed in is real/true or not.
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

    Messages:
    23,403
    Tangible and real things, yes. For example, your parents could have mortgaged the family home and been unable to repay it and the downfall of that is that you all become homeless. Or they painted the family furniture with led based paints and the children licked it and became ill, or they left asbestos exposed insde the house and people fell ill.. But you are talking about something that is not real.

    Further descent into madness..

    It is more than likely that you and/or your family were doing other things at the same time that had the actual results to the problems facing your family and you are attributing it to getting rid of demons.

    I disagree.

    I think that people who rely on such measures are doing so to avoid facing their problems head on and dealing with them, instead preferring to delve into some sort of fantasy land of demons and magic. It also brings you comfort and makes you feel better about yourself because you have turned something that would otherwise be mundane and ordinary, into something that is extraordinary, which makes the solving of the problem all that more heroic and extraordinary.
     
  15. brokenbutnotbeat Registered Member

    Messages:
    75
    Here is a little bit of my story, there was a time in my life where nothing was going well, illnesses, losses, etc. we weren't doing good, my cousin he was going through divorce and addictions, then our businesses were failing miserably, we found someone who told what might be going wrong with us, blessed the house, prayed for my cousin, made him change his house. Things went much better after that. he was cured through god, thanks to a priest. There was nothing anyone else could do

    i guess i should say that what i believe is real, because I get a response. There is also no other belief like believing in god.
     
  16. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,787
    I'd suggest that things went better because your cousin wanted them to and because your cousin needed a psychological impetus to do so. Your cousin needed a change, but needed an excuse to make the change.
    He was given an excuse, made the change, and because things picked up you have attributed his change in fortune to God, not to himself.
    I find that a pity, that you have been convinced that his fortune is not of his own making. Change in one's surroundings is often a catalyst for change of fortune. One does not need God for that.

    As previously said, you seem to find psychological benefit in the belief in God, but that itself is not evidence or proof of the veracity of what you believe in, only of the psychological benefits you have felt from the process of believing.
     
  17. brokenbutnotbeat Registered Member

    Messages:
    75
    well i have never thought of it that way, to me it looks like science is trying to make something supernatural mundane. and it seems like science has a tendency to best explain things with it's current understanding, so maybe sometimes it can be wrong.
     
  18. brokenbutnotbeat Registered Member

    Messages:
    75
    I understand, it's only the believers that feel the poof of god, i can't make others see it.

    well, most of the credit goes to god, and some of it to my cousin for listening to the priest.
     
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,951
    Since, so far as any actual evidence goes, there IS NO SUCH THING as the supernatural it would be rather hard for any discipline - science or otherwise - to make it look mundane.
     
  20. brokenbutnotbeat Registered Member

    Messages:
    75
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,951
    Uh what?
    I don't consider that "supernatural" at all.
    Merely that there's (maybe) some difference between a (reported) "clinical death" and actual death.
    Oh and there's also the distinct possibility that Dr. Parnia is interpreting his evidence in a somewhat skewed manner - The one ‘verifiable period of conscious awareness’ that Parnia was able to report did not relate to this objective test.
     
  22. brokenbutnotbeat Registered Member

    Messages:
    75
    my point is that science denied it for so long, but now is coming to terms with consciousness existing after death.
     
  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    18,951
    You obviously didn't read my post at all did you?
    1) Science isn't "coming to terms" with it - all that may (possibly) happen is that "death" gets a new definition. I.e. what we currently classify as "dead" turns out not to be.
    2) There is NO reliable data to support your claim.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page