Putin's invasion of Ukraine

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Saint, Jan 20, 2022.

  1. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    We'll see...
    Your desire to see it end is meaningless if it has never begun, surely? Or do you think the US and Russia are actually waging war against each other? Do you consider the support (aid and weapons) to a democratic sovereign nation so that it can better defend itself against an invading agressor to be "waging war" against the aggressor???
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    alas poor yorick/Zelenskyy
    With empty promises, we got the damned fool to go into the bear's den and poke the bear with a stick.
    And now, the damned fool is begging us to come in and tame the bear.
    Idiot fool
    That ain't the way this game is played.

    Our political leaders need the bear to be active to distract the citizens who were getting restive over domestic failings.
    Our leaders don't give a damn for the deaths and destruction of the people of Ukraine. They're just pawns. And by giving them portable weapons, we can keep this game playing for a few more weeks.

    (some conspiracy theorists would have us think that the whole thing was orchestrated by the MIC)
    -----(so many puppets---it's hard to determine who is pulling whose strings)
     
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  5. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Trump didn't get in, get over it.
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    ok
    Foggy you're reading stuff that was not in the posting
     
  8. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    You deliberately craft your posts so that people will read more into them than whatever's shown on the surface, what kind of response did you expect?
     
  9. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Oh so Ukraine musing about joining the EU or NATO to defend its national sovereignty is poking the "bear" with a stick, but a dictatorship waving thousands of nukes around while continuing a centuries-old tradition of genocide and land theft on imperial Mongolian scales is not poking Ukraine every time it snatches more of their land and settles more retards on it whose grandchildren claim they've been there for 8000 years. If this isn't a form of treason against the democracy that protects your right to say what you say, then I don't really know what treason is. I can certainly say I'm neither disappointed nor surprised by what you write though because I didn't have high expectations in the first place.

    Just like Russians, bears are too stupid to do anything but eat and shit without outside assistance. It's time we treated the Russian bear accordingly and showed it back to the cage where it belongs.

    Since you blame Ukrainians for resisting yet another Russian genocide - and note that this isn't even the first time Russia has committed genocide in Ukraine and replaced the indigenous population - I'd like to know where you stand on those stupid Yankee colonists poking the British bear and having the gall to declare independence from the empire that gave them their land in the first place.
     
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  10. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Yup that's about right- once Russia is defeated in Ukraine, Putin is overthrown and Russian society collapses, there will be no reason left not to completely disarm their state and return it to the borders it had before it started raping and committing genocide against other populations whose refugees still exist in other parts of the world.
     
  11. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    It's time for Finland to join NATO and to start pushing for their historical land to be returned in full. If Russians feel St. Petershole is too close to Finland's borders then that slum can be moved elsewhere, not much lost in doing so.

    Indeed, Ukraine took the further step of correctly asserting its natural rights as a nation, knowing that Russia would seek to abuse them regardless; hopefully now Finland will feel motivated to do the same before Russia mistakes a lack of such rights assertions for an invitation to invade them with minimal resistance.

    I think Putin is stupid enough to try just about anything, and so are the people who support him. What he tries next will depend on how much resistance he meets in Ukraine and how willing the globe will be to make stupid compromises with him after he bombs more maternity hospitals.

    Russia never had a right to any such buffer in the first place. Indeed we should be looking at the territorial and financial compensation Russia owes to western Europeans for centuries of occupying their lands and replacing the indigenous populations with loyalist inbred peasants. Asian populations victimized by Russian land theft are entitled to compensation and rectification as well.

    If the regime in Kazakhstan had enough popular support to rightfully rule over the population there, it wouldn't have needed its puppet masters in Moscow to send troops in to suppress this same population. I believe the events there may have played a significant role in deciding Putin's agenda; he thinks invading Ukraine will stop the rest of the world from not wanting to be ruled by lazy dumb people who have only ever accomplished things on a national level through the theft and rape of smaller, more intelligent populations and their lands.

    Good so then he and his supporters should be nuked first as soon as there's any sign of an imminent launch of any scale, unless his own people want to avoid that scenario and stop him before it's too late. The US and the rest of the world would have been far better off completing WW2 by driving Stalin off the planet, now we might have to pay a much heavier price to correct that mistake.

    Ukraine should get its nukes back or new ones to replace them, since Russia forfeited its own part of the agreement that got rid of them.

    I understand your argument and I feel sympathy for the minority of Russians who genuinely recognize and regret the centuries of naked criminality involved in establishing their nation. Having spent most of my life speaking and communicating with plenty of Russians both in Russia itself and those living freely here in the democratic west, I am thoroughly convinced that the majority of them have chosen to willfully buy into and support Putin's propaganda as a means of compensating for their personal insecurities and national shortcomings, and they are therefore deserving of the worst consequences possible.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ??? That's exactly the kind of response he WANTS - so he can say something like "I didn't mention X, you are crazy" and anger the person replying.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Most right wing people are fervently for democracy - unless gas prices go up, it gets harder to buy guns or the president isn't a republican.
     
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  14. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Your camouflage was worn thin.

    There will now be a musical interlude
    Camouflage:
     
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  15. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    semper fi
     
  16. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    right on. you can't like an obvious russian and chinese propagandist and not have people assume your a trumper.

    love this song, of course the version i own is by sabaton.
     
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  17. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Poor soul that has you watching his back.
    I think Sculptor would cut off his own nose to have a pop at Biden's government, hence the liking of the propagandist posts.
     
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  20. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    a little history-circa 1823
    The Monroe Doctrine
    In part:

    with the Governments who have declared their independence and maintain it, and whose independence we have, on great consideration and on just principles, acknowledged, we could not view any interposition for the purpose of oppressing them, or controlling in any other manner their destiny, by any European power in any other light than as the manifestation of an unfriendly disposition toward the United States.
     
  21. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I found an article about the ''Monroe Doctrine'' sometime back, meanwhile lets shell some apartment blocks and hospitals, after all this is the 21st century.
     
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  22. scorpius a realist Valued Senior Member

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    Where was Arnold when US bombed Afganistan for 20 fng years? And Murdered milions of muslims,also in Iraq Iran Lybia Syria Serbia Vietnam.
    Stop watchin anti Rusia propaganda and talk w people who tell the truth.
    Jimmy Dore for one
    Also Gonzalo Lira and Patrick Lancaster who live in Ukraine all this time.

    Zelensky is a neo nazi cia pupet who murdered 14.000rusians since instaled as prez
    And destroyed Ukraine economy while enriching foreigners. Including Bidens son.
     
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  23. scorpius a realist Valued Senior Member

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    LLLLL stop dreamin borky Russia is wining



    If anyone going down its this evil empire

     

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