Putin's Puppet

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Dec 12, 2016.

  1. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    There will be no "peace" with Obama and his cronies in charge. Don't you find it peculiar how CIA is rushing this report before Trump will become a president on the 20th? This entire charade of "Putin's personal vandeta against me" as Miss Clinton has said it, is nothing more but a political game by democrats to discredit Mr. Trump.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Of course they are rushing it! Trump has done nothing but hide his indiscretions from the get go... no wonder, given the ongoing investigations regarding his misuse of money from his charities, the continually deepening ties with Russia, and his general cavalier attitude towards screwing over anyone and everyone to make a buck (Trump University is a perfect example of this).

    No SHIT he doesn't want the reports to come out... he's going to do anything and everything he can to hide the facts... and the sad part is, his supporters will gobble up his bullshit without a second thought.

    If you honestly believe the top intelligence agencies in the country are ALL in on some grand conspiracy to discredit an "innocent man"... then honestly, there is no hope for you.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    What makes you think they are rushing it? Where is your evidence they are rushing it? Comrade, you are making shit up again. They have known about this for more than 6 months now. How much longer do you think they need, 10 years, 20 years? So no I don't find it peculiar because the CIA isn't rushing it. They have known about this for more than 6 months now. The reports came out 6 months ago.

    Two, it's not relevant if Putin did this as a personal vendetta against Clinton. It doesn't matter what his motivations were. I suspect Putin had a number of motivations including installing a POTUS who might remove the Western sanctions which have crippled Putin's economy and geopolitical ambitions.

    No peace...? What the hell does that mean? There is peace. When Obama came to office the US was fighting 2 wars in the Middle East. Now is fighting no wars. Thanks to Obama's deal with Iraq, the world isn't at war with Iraq. Thanks to Obama's discretion, the US is not at war in Syria or anywhere else. Although it is taking limited military actions in Syria against ISIS and Yemen. So where do you get this "no peace" and "cronies "bullshit? The fact is you made it up as you are wont to do.
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    It is the strangest thing that even in victory, conservatives need to make shit up.

    I mean, you are capable, are you not, of recognizing the futility of making up lies to celebrate when, hell, you just won, anyway?

    It's pretty telling that even having won, you suffer fears of inadequacy about winning.

    In American football, we have a saying: "A win is a win." That is to say, no matter how flaccid or pathetic or impotent, as long as you win, you won.

    How about our American fùtbol? Did you happen to catch the MLS Cup? Seriously, no shots on goal in regulation; no shots on goal in extra; win in a shootout when the opponent beats your goalkeeper but fails to miss the crossbar.

    Yeah. A win is a win. And sometimes that even means a championship.

    And an electoral college win defined by less than eighty thousand votes in three states while losing the popular vote by a record margin?

    Yeah. A win is a win.

    No wonder conservatives and other anti-American interests need to play make-believe in order to feel better about winning.
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    And who says they are crying and who says they aren't accepting their losses? Have the Democrats not admitted their losses? They have, so why are you misrepresenting them?

    We the people of the United States, the majority of the people, didn't vote for Trump. The vast majority of us didn't vote for Trump. Yet due to the undemocratic aspects of our government Trump will become the next POTUS.

    The US isn't like your beloved Mother Russia comrade. We have freedom of speech. We can change things. If our government doesn't work, we can change it. That's why we talk. That's why we debate. I know this is a difficult concept for you comrade. You are use to someone telling you how to think and what to do. That's not how it works in the United States.

    Yes, Trump has won. Name calling...? That's funny coming from you comrade. Unfortunately for you comrade, and facts do matter. And I know you don't understand this, but Trump isn't the last word. While Trump may love Putina, Republican congressmen don't. In a few days Republicans will introduce legislation calling for more sanctions against your beloved Mother Russia. So don't get your hopes up.

    If you really want peace, then you need to convince your to withdraw his troops from the lands of his neighbors and give back the lands he has illegally annexed from his neighbors. If you want peace, then you need to tell your beloved Putina to stop bombing innocent civilians in Syria.
     
  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Any one got the latest on the Russian hack thingo?
    this was posted recently ~ author available upon PM request.

    In his statement re Russian interference in election, after intelligence briefing, he lied to all of us.
    In this statement

    The report clearly states that the RNC was also hacked, and adds that the information acquired from the RNV hack was not released....[yet]

    The report from our intelligence cos. Investigates and comes to a conclusion based on concrete evidence. They are not in the business of evaluating whether this wide spread, many pronged attack on our system of democracy affected the election results.

    Clearly stated.

    Trump stated, "...there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election..."

    We know what he knows and when he knew it so his blatant lies cannot fly here.

    Two lies in a statement about the dishonest way he won the electoral college.

    He's got some gall- we will have a compromised president sitting in the Oval Office with Putin holding some kind of info from the RNC hack which we are not privy to because Putin hasn't allowed us to see the info.

    Read that again- we are not privy to any possible compromising data received through the RNC hack because a leader of a foreign nation state doesn't want us to see it.

    We go back to- why does Trump take up with Putin and Assange and not stand by us, fellow Americans? Why?

    One day, Russia may decide to dump the RNC hacked info. Any. Minute. It can. Happen.

    What will that lead to while trump is in the White House?

    Do they have embarrassing information about republicans? If so, when will Putin decide we should see it or will Luton simply keep it and rule the GOP due to it. We don't know what they have on GOP.

    Historic time. A real Live Manchuria candidate.

    Brought to you by Russia and the Compromised GOP.
    I would be very curious to see whether they have any info on FBI director James Comey unprecedented behavior during the final weeks of the election campaign...extortion perhaps...??

    My guess is that Trump, personal, was hacked years ago and I wonder if they will eventually discover the extent of the Russian influence, what and how?
     
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  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    That's the big question. Given Trump's continued support for Putin and the price he is willing to pay for that support, one has to wonder if there is some other motivation for Trump's devotion to Putin. Unfortunately we may never know the why, because Trump continues to refuse to disclose his finances. But we do know his son has stated Trump has extensive Russian financial ties.

    We know Trump isn't a very loyal guy. He has already dumped his most avid and public advocates when they became a liability, e.g. Giuliani and Christie. So why has he been so consistently loyal to Putin and at such a high cost? One has to think something else is going on in the Putin-Trump relationship.
     
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  11. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Additionally, and perhaps more terrifying... France may soon elect to put a pro-Putin prime minister, with François Fillon apparently leading the populist vote.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/world/europe/fillon-french-election-russia.html

    This... is honestly a scary prospect. The idea of being more apologetic towards a nation (and indeed, a leader) that has little to no regard for human well-being, nor respect for basic human rights... ugh.
     
  12. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed, and Germany is not far behind. They have upcoming elections too.
     
  13. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    I for one appreciate and await the rise of our new neo-nazi overlords, and certainly am not saying that just to try and carry favor when it happens.

    /s

    God help us all... Another great flood would work nicely...
     
  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    The other think, and perhaps one of the reasons why Trump doesn't want to address this issue, is the possibility the Trump campaign collaborated with the Russians during his campaign. There is some indication of coordination between the Trump campaign and Russian during the election which has gone largely unreported owing to Trump's flood of controversial tweets.

    This was lightly reported during the campaign, but Russia took the work of a journalist, altered it, and subsequently published it, but not before Trump cited the altered material. The only way Trump could have known about the altered material is if the Russian government had informed him of it. That's a "huge" oops. There is no way Trump could have known about the unpublished Russian alterations without the Russian government telling him in advance.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russia-trump-idUSKBN1351RJ

    http://www.npr.org/2016/10/11/49752...ussian-propaganda-to-slam-clinton-on-benghazi

    So I think the larger issue here, and perhaps one of the reasons Trump wants to ignore and deny Russia's intervention, is because he collaborated with Russia to win the election. Public knowledge of a collaboration would be devastating to his presidency and his businesses. It would be Watergate on steroids.

    If this is true, as it appears to be, it's very concerning. It makes Trump a Putin subordinate, in effect a vassal of the Russian dictator. Putin could always keep Trump in line by threatening a public disclosure.
     
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  15. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    It probably doesn't help that after ... er ... ah ... oh, hey↗ ....

    Memory lane. Two months ago.

    The thing that gets me is that if after all this talk about somebody or other's Watergate, if what brings Donald Trump down is, actually, a genuine Watergate-style scandal, I'm going to be wondering more and more about notions of collective psyche and what exactly is going on with Americans.
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    The strange thing is that if there was collaboration between Putin and Trump, Trump would have made an effort to to hide his relationship with Putin. As it stands he has done everything he can to fuel speculation rather than diminish it by at least showing some criticism of Putin. His lack of any published criticism, even if constructive, of Putin is incredibly bizarre. So of course collaboration allegations will come of it... but... if he had collaborated he would have published criticism to hide his otherwise extraordinary admiration of Putin.
    Do you see what I am getting at or am I just "waffling" again?
    Perhaps Putin scares the hell out of Trump and he is doing all he can to get him on side...
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's completely in character. In the first place, he honestly admires Putin - until recently a wealthier and more powerful man than Trump, and one familiar to Trump. In the second, he's won the election, so whatever he needed to hide before is no big deal now - and the odds are fairly good that the seamier side of the collaboration was between proxies and minions, not Trump and Putin themselves, anyway. In the third place, he despises the chattering class and their "speculations", and he has no real recognition of motives such as public service or governing with integrity. He has no fear of incurring disapproval from such people. So no worries.
     
  18. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Mr. President of United States of America, Mr. Trump sees the destructive practices done by Obama and Clinton administration and sees that Putin is a great leader and one who can and should be trusted to work together with USA to accomplish great things together. We got blatant rusophobia of the current administration and we got an administration that are going to America Great Again and who will team up with Russia to do so, despite all the warmongerers wishes.
     
  19. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing and let me repeat it to you again, NOTHING will bring Trump down. Finally we have a president we can believe in and not the all-talk-good-for-nothing Benghazi Osamacare jobless state.
     
  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    hee hee... now that's almost funny...Trump is so good at shooting himself in the foot his toes have defected to Russia.
     
  21. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    Jobless state under Obama...

    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/obamas-numbers-january-2016-update/

    Given he had the Great Recession to contend with... I think he's done a bang up job, especially with a deadbeat Congress hamstringing him as they have.

    I don't want to see Trump fail, because his failure will mean the failure of us all... but at this point, I don't think fools like yourself will open their eyes until you are eating paper napkins for dinner while his buddies get fillet...
     
  22. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    You trying to convince me, or yourself?
     
  23. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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