Radical Islam : What is the fundamental motivation?

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  1. CEngelbrecht Registered Senior Member

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    Gasoline doesn't come with a print of who sold it and under which circumstances. 'Cause we're oil addicts.

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    And yes, I drive a gasoline car, too. I'm one of the criminals, too.
     
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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    Firstly, we have come a long way since Freud and Jung. Secondly, Jung did not obsess over sex like Freud did.

    I'm sorry, so we point out that domestic terrorism in the US has been mostly white Christian fundamentalist terrorism and your response is to ask about 9/11?

    I am here to discuss religion.

    Why are you here?

    And I would want to meet you because of..................?

    Are you aware of the sheer number of terrorist attacks on the NAACP in the past? It has something to do with the racist history of the US and its treatment of African Americans and the fight to prevent them from having rights.

    Secondly, I did provide links. Do you see the parts that are underlined? Links are embedded in those parts of my post. Perhaps you can teach yourself to use a mouse and click on them?

    Thirdly, the latest attack was committed while the office was occupied. They were lucky that the gas bottle attached to the explosive device failed to explode. Had it exploded, then it would have been yet another horrific attack on them.

    Sources have been provided repeatedly and yet you keep ignoring it and asking for sources. Are you incapable of clicking on the embedded and underlined links?

    And what religion needs to go? Go where? Why does it need to go?

    Many people.

    And stop asking for links when links have already been provided. Repeatedly.

    And I have read Jung. Have you? Clearly you have not, since Jung did not really focus on "sex" as much as Freud. In fact, Freud's obsession with sex was one of the reasons they fell out of sorts with each other.


    Perhaps you are somewhat thick. Or perhaps you are just one of those people who obsess over sex.

    People are discussing the effects of radical Islam. The effects of radical Islam is often death to those who come up against it. Thousands of people have died.

    And your response to this is to whine that maybe they just aren't getting any?

    Do you have any idea of just how fucking stupid you sound? There are a range of reasons for why young men and women become radicalised in their religion of choice. No, sex is not the primary cause.

    Unless you have scientific proof that sex is the major and driving factor for radicalised belief, I'd suggest you find yourself a deep dark corner and get it out of your system.

    What...?

    Why do you think rape cannot be used as a weapon?

    Don't you understand why Muslims and non-Muslims are against ISIS? Do you even understand rape and what it means and entails? And how it is used as a weapon of war?

    ISIS do not exist because they want to get women you dumbass.
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    To put this one to rest-

    This is not the case, at least not for Christians who follow the New Testament, the New Covenant made in Christ's name...

    That, and anyone who thinks they have the right to pass judgement on anyone else would do well to remember John 8:7
    "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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  8. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    All taught psychology, at least in the UK, uses Freud as a basis, but I'm not surprised to see you acting as if you know what you're talking about. I can just think of one example in the memoirs of Jung, where he found an interest in a lady patient. I didn't recommend Jung so you could solely satisfy your self, I mentioned him because he covers different bases then Freud, in fact it was this that separated, quite literally from each other.

    "we" point out? Have you got someone with you? Picard for example... your source does not say that whoever it was was driven by his religious belief, in fact I didn't see "Christian" written anywhere. Odd.

    To learn.

    Strange hwy certain people just seem to enjoy acting mean.

    Why the attitude? Seems like you are on the defensive to me.
     
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  10. Bells Staff Member

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    If this was back in the 50's and 60's, you might have been correct. Alas...

    I do know what I am talking about. You clearly do not.

    Carl Jung did not believe that it was all about sex, like Freud did. He first makes this clear in his preface of "The Psychology of Dementia Praecox", written in 1906.

    At least one other person has pointed this out to you in this thread.

    And seeing the history of terror attacks against the NAACP, it stands to reason that this is just yet another case of same old same old..

    You have a long way to go.

    Oh I don't act mean. I am mean.

    You see, I have a pathological dislike of people who keep asking for the same thing over and over again, while ignoring that their request has been complied with repeatedly and they simply refuse to recognise it. Like repeatedly asking for links when links have been consistently provided.

    They say that imitation is a form of flattery. I just find it to be a sign of weakness and a clear indication that the other clearly has no idea how to proceed.
     
  11. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Shame I can't ignore "Staff".
     
  12. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    why is that?
    do they get on your nerves?
    i keep wanting to catch them boozing it up back there.
    every time i open the door though, it's like a regular day at the office.
    as soon as i close it, it's like one of those popeye cartoons.

    they really do a good job at keeping the board spam free, although they have me sweating bullets sometimes.
    i haven't seen any "roast the mods" threads lately . . .
     
  13. CEngelbrecht Registered Senior Member

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    I suppose I agree more with Freud, then. At the least, that sex has a strong subconscious influence on people's actions. And in polygynous societies, where it's impossible for all fertile males to find a mate, I'd argue that it is exacerbated. That would match the observations, as I've read and seen them. I've myself talked to that desperate youth in both the Middle East and Europe. Even in US Mormon "the Principle" compunds, we have stories about boys getting thrown out of the compound as soon as they mature (aka. they leave "voluntarily", which the fertile girls oddly enough doesn't want to), and then those boys come back to shoot daddy and his old patriarch buddy, that hawks the girls between them (divine justice, if there ever was one). Try to imagine that society form across an entire region and an entire human segment, and the perpetual desperation and hysteria it gives birth to.

    Sex is the greatest single cause of human mayhem, I'd say. Those two Kouachi boys in France were indeed unmarried. Breivik didn't have a mate, Ted Kaczynski didn't, Timothy McVeigh didn't. The oldest Western story that survives is about conquering a whole damn city, because an Alpha male got his mate stolen by another Alpha male.

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    The established religions have all these complex, albeit random, rules about controlling people's access to sex, in some desperate attempt to keep the peace in society. And yet the fertile ape still claws its way through. What is the OT question? "Radical Islam : What is the fundamental motivation?" I'm arguing that it's sex, on a subconscious, ethological level. You cannot control human nature.

    And about rape: Muslims are just as forbidden to rape girls as Christians are, or any other Jew. And yet it still happens in ISIL controlled regions. Makes no sense what so ever in terms of the concepts detailed in the Quran and other Islamic sources. But it doesn't have to. ISIL has nothing to do with Islam or any other random religion or political or philosophical ism, it's about a sexual competition in an over populated plygynous society. Islam this time around is just the convenient halfwit excuse for doing, what the desperate ape wanted to do in the first place.

    But it also depends if you prefer to simply believe in random good and evil, or try to grasp the underlying mechanisms beyond good and evil.
     
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  14. CEngelbrecht Registered Senior Member

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    One thing I do agree with Jung on, is that human beings are naturally religious. Even though religion ends up being distorted fables about how the Universe works. Pick your poison.
     
  15. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I haven't got a handbag to hit you back with... Freud is key to psychology in the UK at least, to this day. USA or Pakistan, wherever you're from it could be different.

    Have you actually read any of his books? Freud was his hero, and one of his most interesting patients was a female nymphomaniac.

    Oh, you're a team! how nice...

    erm No it doesn't. You'd make a bloody good dictator.

    I know I do.

    Yeah, it's popular amongst women, especially in the USA, to be mean and bitches. In fact you can buy car stickers in the US and even in the UK that says "I'm a bitch" on them.
    So I'm not used to the forum format(haven't been here for years) and miss seeing a link, and you go psycho? Is that common practice where you come from?

    I've made you look like a fool, I'd walk away now.
     
  16. Bells Staff Member

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    US or Pakistan? Is that meant to be an insult?

    And no, where I am from, Freud is a side study, since it is more science based than non-scientific studies based as you are claiming it is in the UK.

    Yes, I have read his books. And he was clear from the outset that he did not agree with Freud. It was the basis of his falling out with Freud. How can anyone still not know this?

    It would help if you did not apply the mental dynamics of a 5 year old.

    Correction, I am a bloody good dictator.

    Yep. And?

    Psycho? No. Sick of trolling? Yes. You were told, repeatedly how to spot the embedded links. That you still could not do so is not my problem and your continued requests for links, while repeatedly ignoring links was getting idiotic in the extreme.

    Nah, tell us how much Jung was focused on sex like Freud some more. Because that is really, really riveting.

    Unless of course you are going to parrot the water ape guy and claim that terrorists are terrorists because they aren't having sex as well?

    Because, you know, dismissing the deaths of thousands of individuals down to 'they just needed to have sex' is not insulting to the victims at all, is it?
     
  17. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    No, but you've just insulted the US and Pakistan.

    ? What? Freud is closer to science then Jung, yes. What am I claiming in the UK? Have you just woke up? This hardly makes sense.

    Freud and Jung aren't high on the priority list for bin men, or car mechanics.... Jung disagreed with Freud, and Freud never forgive him.

    I'll start counting the insults about my mental capacity, as it is a great source of information as regards to people who have not much else of substance to say.

    Accusing me of trolling because I didn't differentiate a link to underlined text? Told repeatably, what a drama queen you really are, to beat me are you going to ban me?

    I never alluded to this, I have read Jung's books.

    Another baseless comment....

    Why you telling me for? I already said what I think the cause is, but wait, you haven't even read the thread you're posting on. Fact.
     
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  18. Bells Staff Member

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    My God you're still going and now you are denying your own argument. Okay then. Carry on. Perhaps in a break, you could look up to see how old the Earth is..

    *Rolls eyes*

    Anywho, back to the topic..

    It has been interesting to note the reaction of right wing pundits about "radical Islam". Bob Beckel, (right wing Christian) political commentator, had an interesting, not to mention disgusting, comparison to make:

    Have you noticed that poll in France that young people were much more predisposed toward radical Islam than older people?” Beckel asked his co-hosts. “I think it’s sort of like in the United States where younger people today, it’s not at all unusual for people to see multicultural dating, for example. Back when I was young you didn’t date out of your own ethnicity. But in Europe and other places, this mingling that’s going on here, younger people are beginning to find this acceptable. And that’s the thing that is sort of scary because they’re getting exposed to it on a daily basis.”​

    When his colleagues tried to cover for him, he responded with this:

    It was a stretch but I was trying to find something we could relate to.

    Because apparently a bizarre poll that did not really add up, which claims to indicate that there is some support amongst some younger Muslims in Europe, for radical Islam, is somehow similar to dating outside of one's ethnic group... One somehow relates to the other...

    And all this while discussing the latest terrorist attacks in Paris. Because to those of his ilk, marrying someone who is not the same ethnicity as you is reminiscent to supporting ideology that kills people, has killed thousands of people and which resulted in their putting a bomb on a 10 year old girl and have her blow up a busy market..

    Then again, he belongs to a station that blatantly ignored one Christian zealot trying to cut someone's head off because he believed his friend was practicing witchcraft. So of course they attract racist Islamaphobes like Beckel.
     
  19. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Bells:

    End of debate.

    You simply cannot answer any questions and your default position is to ridicule any sound reason, when you have been refuted you simply turn your tactics to simply trying to belittle and offend someone with much more brain power.

    Oh and you simply copy and paste others work, you don't seem to be able to explain your stance with your own words.

    Time to search the web is it?
     
  20. Bells Staff Member

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    Dude, you don't even know how old the Earth is and you spent pages not knowing how to open a link, while trying to claim that anyone who comments on Christianity in the context of this discussion obviously hates Christians, not to mention your ongoing hissy fit in the other thread when you were told how the brain stem evolved and from what... Are you seriously going to try and claim you have refuted anything? You are a theist and an Islamaphobe. You also believe that Jung was as hung up on sex like Freud and tried to defend the indefensible and then tried to back track when it became clear that you were wrong, then you tried to deny you ever made such arguments.

    My 'copying and pasting others work' as you are trying to claim is my quoting their commentary. You know, for accuracy... That is what you do when you quote someone. You copy and paste it, make sure that it is clearly a quote - hence the use of the quote function on this site or indenting it and changing the font and linking to its source so that people know it is a quote. Do you understand now how and why quotes are sometimes necessary in discussions and what constitutes a quote?

    I have explained my stance. What part of it don't you quite understand?
     
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  22. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    You already said you hate Islam and Christianity.

    I did not say Jung was "hung up on sex", your dishonesty knows no bounds.

    Quote more actually, the less words you say the better for humanity.
     
  23. CEngelbrecht Registered Senior Member

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    Please try to play nice, children, we need you more than ever.

    I agree!
     

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