Scientists discover that atheists might not exist, and that’s not a joke

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Some religious groups insist there can be no such thing as a real atheist

The creationist ministry

Answers in Genesis would be one example

One of their "proof" text - Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world gods invisible qualities — his eternal power and divine nature — have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse

means that god is so obviously to be inferred from his creation that deep down, everybody “knows” that god exists

Perhaps this is where Jan gets his conviction - there are no atheist - from???

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A brainless slime mold can be conditioned to exhibit certain behaviors after being trained, even without the prior administered stimulus.

That's why atheists will never go to war because God tells them it's a good idea.

 

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But we are not talking about other groups.

Or are you suggesting that as other groups behaved badly then the churches bad deeds can be somehow overlooked?

I would have thought the church could lead by example and not be involved in any bad deeds at all...but they have and your approach is to suggest a comparrison showing the church is somehow less evil is a reasonable excuse.

Its not really or do you disagree.

One of the problems I have with religion in general is that it enables folk to abdicate responsibility for their actions and your introduction of your red herring suggests you favour such an approach over recognising the horrors committed in the name of God and or religion.

The priests guilty of the rape of children for example not only committed horrible crimes but failed to live up to the trust of folk placed in them...that failure trumps most other horrors in history I expect.

Alex

 

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You seem to be talking about authority.

I am suggesting that if you deem misuse of authority as sufficient grounds to dismiss authority, you will be left with a highly unusual and dysfunctional world.

Maintaining the integrity of any institution or society is not as straight forward as rubber stamping.

If recognizing "the horrors committed" is your thing, you would be better off renouncing your pet hates against religion on the basis of antiquated ecclesiastical accounts dramatized by antagonistic protestants .... and instead take a closer look at contemporary world events.

The higher the ideals, the greater the chances of hypocrisy. Human society is such that it is not possible to run unless there is some sort authority structure around higher ideals..... theres the crunch.

 

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A nice person does not try to tell others what they think & believe.

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I was thinking about the problem and maybe you are correct but irrespective of how we look at the matter the problems remain.

Yes but again the fact remains the church and religions generally have grave problems.

I prefer to go for the low hanging fruit☺
Alex

 

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YOU are saying there is no evidence of god.

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I do not think you are possible. You must be a sick troll.

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WHY is it possible for adults to believe in fantasy.

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What?
A nice person is duplicitous or inscrutable?

 

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A nice person does not try to tell others what the others think or believe.
I cannot believe you did not understand that.

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I can't believe that you just said that.
You just told us what to think and believe

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I did not.

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Yes but we all make mistakes.
I thought I made a mistake once but fortunately I was wrong..but others can and do make mistakes ...just dont sin.h

I get the impression Jan enjoys talking about God and I recognise that I get tiresome when talking about my pet subjects so I can hardly say I am better than Jan cause I can go on about astronomy and certainly try to get others interested because I know it will be good for them.

Jan sees the world through different eyes I expect.

He perhaps thinks its his duty to promote God and so he opens threads about God. And I certainly enjoy hearing from a theists and having a chat...

In a room full of atheists he will have problems and perhaps he is driven to be defensive of his God.
He does a great job given he defends an entity that we cant observe.
He has nothing to work with when you think about it.

I also believe that Jan thinks he can help bring God to others and from his point of view that would be the kindest thing he could do for another human.

As an atheist one can find such an approach annoying and rude but I am sure Jan simply does not understand how an atheist thinks or feels, and can only measure the world with his ruler.

That is not unreasonable.

It is hard to understand another who is very different in their view of reality.


I watch Matt Delahunty and you can tell from the callers, theists, just cant imagine the bible is just a book written by humans..to them its Gods word...they get confused when the various problems are pointed out and they just do a reset saying they have faith...which is really saying no matter what they are confronted with they will believe God is nevertheless the wonderful entity they have made him up to be...I get it.

They never think they have lost the arguement but think either they have not made their point clear enough for the atheist to convert or that the other person did not understand their point.

They are totally blind to their dishonesty so can we call them dishonest?

Still I think they try to be nice..they just dont see being evasive or circular in arguement as a problem.

I should say something in the appropriate thread but I take this opportunity to thank you for all the cat photos...if there was any case for God and intelligent design certainly cats could lead the arguement for both. How can such a wo derful creature not be created other than by a very clever God☺.

I could happily belong to a religion who worshipped cats☺

The true test for Jan is his position on cats.

If he has a cat he is a good person ...even a dog ...at least I am sure he does not have a vulture as a pet although vultures are ok hollywood has painted them badly thats all.
Alex

 

No, you are still missing the point. Atheists can be nice moral people without being duplicitous and living a lie.
Belief in the existence of a God, i.e. being a theist, does not necessarily make one a nice moral person.
Not believing in the existence of a God, i.e. being an atheist, does not necessarily make one a bad, immoral person.

The difference is that; Atheists do not persecute Theists for being Theists, but Theists do persecute people for being Atheists, but also for being Theists (of a different faith).

 

Are toy cars real, are paintings real, are adverts real.???
The answer is, yes, they are all real.
For the atheist, there is no God, so God is not real, as far as you're aware. Why? Because you deny, and reject God.
You are desperately trying to justify your denial, and rejection, by telling lies.

How does that even work?
Show me how the pigeon was superstitious, then you may have a point.

Superstition - excessively credulous belief in and reverence for the supernatural.

Good luck with that.

Jan.

 

Because you can see them and prove they exist

No, because you can't see nor prove that God exists.

No, you are now spouting pure nonsense.

 

He may be trying to escape a cult like environment and wants to make sure he is making the right choice in becoming an atheist.

He is seemingly intelligent so he must have doubts I would think and is here because he enjoys the refreshing company of atheist who are honest and have read the bible.

Maybe he sees his God as being secretive and he tries to be similar.

To be fair God has remained "is" and really what more could one say☺

Maybe he subscribes to the notion that the best form of defence is attack.

No doubt maybe you could give him some pointers☺

No he listens and then he ignores whst they have said.

Yes but that is standard behaviour for a theist...it is part of their make up like spots on a tiger.

Theists tend to have a bag of one liners and clearly Jan is pleased with the mileage from that one.

We need to press him harder so he is forced to quote from the good book in line with standard practice for true believers.
I have become suspicious because he rarely quotes the bible suggesting he may be one of us not one of them.

I think its all a game to Jan and so he treats it that way.

Presumably he wants to keep the entirety of his beliefs secret otherwise I am sure he would have gone into detail about his God.

I sometimes think Jan maybe an atheist pretending to be a theist to give theists a bad name.

His failure to confront my standard "its all made up" suggests that is a conclusion he is happy to leave out there ... I mean really I give him so many easy opportunities but he lets them go with little comment to erode my message.

Maybe Jan seeks attention which is reasonable as who knows what the real world is for him ... at least here folk enjoy his presence and arguing with him which he may not get in his real world.
In any event if anyone finds Jan too much they can simply ignore his posts.
Personally I enjoy him being frustrating and evasive.
You can think you have him done and yet back he comes...and it would be sad to see him crushed or be anyone other than Jan.
Alex