Should atheism be recognised?

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Should atheism be recognised?

  1. Yes, I want to be recognised for the stuff I don't believe in

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  2. No, its stupid to have a category for NOT believing in something

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  3. Got better things to think about

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  4. My opinion, which is better than yours, is given in a post below

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  1. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    That's beside the point. Religion is more important than stamp collecting because it deals with basic issues of life, rather than simply being a method of payment for package delivery. Atheists are concerned about religion because religious people want their religion to influence certain aspects of my life. I agree with your sentiment about religion being a personal thing that no group should be able to interfere with.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    According to this thread here, it sucks to be a minority and they should just STFU and live with it.

    http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=2188745#post2188745

    What do you think of that?
     
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  5. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Only our laws do uphold atheists' rights. It's necessary sometimes to fight for proper enforcement.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, but why should theists care about this? Its not in their interest.
     
  8. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    It actually is, but few of them recognize it. It is in their interest to keep religion separate from government, for the preservation of both.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Why?
     
  10. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    So that religions will be left alone to practice their religion.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    By whom?
     
  12. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Everyone.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So how does one reconcile a ban on religious expression with freedom to practice religion?

    Giving atheists "freedom" essentially ends up with atheists interfering with the freedom of religion.

    So why would I as a theist, even want to recognise them?

    I would rather be free to practise my religion even if it is obstructive to them, than have them be free to be obstructive to me.
     
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  14. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    There is no such ban.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    That is the crux of atheism. Anti-religion.
     
  16. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    What?

    Giving theists too much 'freedom' essentially ends up with thiests interfering with the religion of freedom.
    Should I list all the bass ackwards Christian redneck/hick laws that are enstated down here?

    Right back at ya, Toots.

    Fuck that. You can walk your ass right into oncoming traffic for that statement.
    You've just said that you think you are entitled to less obstruction because of what you believe than others because they don't beleive.
    You really, really need to get off your high horse, STFU and stop making stupid ass threads like this.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Thats exactly my opinion of atheists who think they have the right to put their beliefs before mine.
     
  18. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    So, Muslims can do whatever they want, but no one else can. Hilarious.

    It's little wonder no one takes you seriously, Sam.
     
  19. mikenostic Stop pretending you're smart! Registered Senior Member

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    You started it with this statement, bud:
    You make initial statements like that disrespecting non-believers, then you'll get it right back.

    Don't start no shit. Won't be no shit.

    And you might want to start addressing this issue anyway:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29585222/?GT1=43001
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Disrespecting non-believers? If they don't respect me, why should I respect them? Or even recognise them?
    I don't have to see that news article. The dead bodies littered from Palestine to Afghanistan are sufficient.
     
  21. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Atheism is a negative position only in name. "Not believing in God or gods" implies a number of specific ethical, philosophical, social, practical, scientific and possibly other stances. Although atheists will often claim that there is great variety among atheists and that the only thing they really have in common is their "lack of belief in God or gods", there is much less variety among atheists.

    Atheism is against particular theistic tenets; the atheist tenets may vary depending on the particular theistic tenets they are trying to oppose.
    But generally, self-declared atheists directly or indirectly assert tenets to the effect of:

    1. Human reason is the highest there is.
    2. The goal of human life is the happiness of humans, whereby the happiness of other beings, be they animals, plants or God, is subordinate to human happiness and may be sacrificed for it if humans see such is necessary in order for humans to be happy.
    3. Happiness is to be found exclusively in what humans do or refrain from doing, but not by intervention from other beings or forces.
    4. Man is the final and highest moral instance.


    Seen this way, the above examples of tenets are definitely a position, a position also distinctly different from humanism (even though somewhat similar). As such, I find it easy to understand that atheists wish to be recognized as a separate category.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Is there a book of scripture somewhere? Or have you decided what all atheists believe?
     
  23. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    P.S.
    Atheism is a position similarly as, for instance, 'antisemitism' is a position.
     

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