Should science replace religion?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by wegs, May 7, 2019.

  1. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,028
    I said that in answer to Spidergoat: "I would take hard and difficult facts over comforting lies. Perhaps a dying child would not."
    Meaning, even in the matter of dying children, science may be a better answer than religion. And, if we wanted to be nitpickety, medicine also offers palliative care that's more effective than comforting lies. Doctors can be every bit as compassionate as priests, but priests can't be as effective a doctors.

    Unfortunately, they all too often do.
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,240
    lol Okay.
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    12,336
    Science has already replaced religion, but religion is doing a Hilary not accepting the results

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,293
    It seems that we often confuse religion and religiosity.
     
  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,028
    That's why I specify "organized religion" when I'm talking about the institutions, to differentiate that social phenomenon from the people who profess a faith - and whose degree of sincerity varies greatly.
     
  9. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,240
    Ahhhh! ^^ Now that's a different conversation, Jeeves. I agree then! Oh, I must have glossed over your posts in which you specified this, and to that, my apologies. I completely agree with you. Religion is also defined (by me) as the organized sort, that often can be just a false presentation or display of sincerity.

    sculptor, thank you for bridging the gap in the discussion!
     
  10. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,028
    Post #76, lower half of Pg. 4
     
  11. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,240
    Yes, thanks.
     
  12. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    316
    If they are the ones who can support their claims of faith, then nope, haven't met one yet.
     
  13. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    316
    Nor, was it about comforting people, your point?
     
  14. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,293
    Yeh
    It seems that religions come and go.
    While the underlying "need" for religions seems to remain.
    ?
    ...................................................
    Long ago, I read something approximated by the following(about the old gods---olympians?)
    about a gathering of the "gods"
    "Then feasted they all day
    till the setting of the sun
    then, along came a ragged jew dragging a huge wooden cross
    as he approached the feast table of the gods
    the gods grew silent
    then
    he flung his cross onto the feast table of the gods
    and the gods just faded away."
     
  15. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    316
    If anything, I'd say you're making more claims for the values of faith, but will probably not be able to provide any valid examples, yet again.
     
  16. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    316
    What does that even mean and how is it relevant? Seems like yet another claim to faith with nothing to support it.
     
  17. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    316
    Sure, just as long as you don't have to actually think about or substantiate it in any way.
     
  18. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,966
    That's a dumb and totally unnecessary thing to say about Hillary, who, as president, unlike the asshole in chief, would have been on the side of science.
     
  19. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,966
    And some don't, because their normal religion tells them not to. That's the religion I object to, over and above all the other ones who's flaws amount merely to valuing faith over evidence.
     
  20. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,966
    You are referring to a parent's approach to treatment, not their approach to the mind of a child, or even for that matter, a religious adult or the elderly. My compassion drives my moral choices, not an old book.
     
  21. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    8,240
    What's your point? That because of the actions of a few, religion should be done away with? If religion didn't exist, we would still have war, strife, and there would still be plenty of ignorance to go around. It seems you blame all of society's problems on religion (Christianity, more specifically).
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    20,612
    No, even if you do. I know plenty of people - scientists, engineers, directors, pilots - who have no problem with the two coexisting in their lives.
    Here's a personal example from my life -

    My grandmother was a very devout Catholic. Her faith gave her the courage to come to the US almost 100 years ago. It helped her deal with the end of her life; believing she was "going home" made the end of her life a comfortable one rather than a time of reckoning and panic. It helped her deal with the death of family members and friends. (And she always knew when they died and made us go to mass that morning to pray for them.) So it worked for her.
     
    exchemist likes this.
  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    53,966
    You make the perfect the enemy of the good, and spoil a good faith conversation on the flaws of religious thought. All religion is characterized by faith, beliefs without evidence, and this leads to bad ideas, like prayer can take the place of medical treatment. Yes, human problems would not all be solved by voluntarily abandoning faith, but many would. And mainstream religions form the opening that others exploit (sometimes with the best intentions).
     

Share This Page