Star Wars vs Star Trek

Ah, I see we have an under educated trekkie with us here today. I will catch you up just a little.

Fire power:

Photon Torpedo ~ 64 megatons at 100% maximum efficency
Heavy Turbolaser ~200 gigatons in an old outdated ship.

See the problem yet.

There were force users who could summon solar flares form stars and obliterate planets. Palapatine could create massive force storms that devored everything. Luke moved a Black hole.

Actually Q have shown no ability to destroy. In fact they don;t even seem capable of derict destruction of anything but another Q. It might be a limitation of their power or psyche.

Lucas set the rules for SW and Roddenberry for ST. Not our fault Roddenberry was not as tech savvy as the people advising Lucas.

Actually if ST came to SW they would have to travel an intergalatic distance and would be arriving in that galaxy roughly 7 billion years after the first Star Wars movie.

Okay this is just confusion. Darth Sidious is actally the product of an obsession gone wrong. he was obsessed with provideing a strong governement that could maintain peace, but his obsession allowed him to use methods one would normally not even condone.

Basicially.

 

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*shakes head*

It is important to note that TWSCOTT is using uncanon Trek Figures. It is his intention to provide real world calculations of antimatter/matter reactions to replace the canon. As we know, canon matters most.

Star Trek Canon:



A 54 isoton yield gravimetric charge could blow up a small planet.

A photon torpedo explosion of 25 isotons could destroy an entire city within seconds

A bomb with90 isotons of enriched ultritium had the explosion radius of 800 kilometers. Such a bomb was used to blow up a ketracel-white facility in Cardassian space in 2374

200 isotons was the explosive yield of a photon torpedo with a class-6 warhead.

Star Trek Canon:
Star Trek canon dictates a photon torpedo can be far more powerful than 64 megatons.

Star Wars Canon.
200 gigatons is a pair of very big shoes for The Heavy Turbo Laser to fill from Star Wars.

Ex. Asteroids a kilometer in diameter impact releasing as much as 100 gigatons of TNT, 200 times stronger than the most powerful nuclear weapon ever tested. Such an impact would shatter glass windows as far as 500 km away, leaving a 20 km (12 mi) crater.

That would make the Heavy Turbo Laser 400 times morepowerful than 20th century weapons. It would also be false advertisement. Star Wars has given no visual evidence of such firepower.

Falcon vs. Star Destroyer: Used only anti fighter weapons. (Not even capable of vaporizing fighter craft.)

A Wing vs. Star Destroyer: The small weapons capable of destroying a unshielded TIE fighter destroyed the massive globe structure a top the Bridge Tower.

A Wing Collision/ Star Destroyer: Even at Orbital Speed (25,000mph) the fighter lacks the mass and to penetrate the armor Star Wars stats advertise as part of canon.

There is a large schism of realism from the stats and the best example we see on screen that Star Destroyers are capable of withstanding and putting out. If they could put out firepower on the order of 200GT no planetary instatllation could possibly survive with out shielding the ground aswell. Craters 20 miles long at the perimeter of the shield per shot would be more than enough to unseat anysettlements foundation.

Star Trek has long since proven it's superiority of Firepower to the Imperial Star Destroyer, using far less energy.

All that is true, to my knowledge.

Irrational.
Destruction has always proved far easier than creation. The Q Continuum has proven it's ability to create anything from entire realities to Mexican trumpets. They have mastered the manipulation of matter.

It is an fallacy to propose they are capable of great feats of creation, accept that they are omnipotent and then conclude that great power does not include destructive ability. Fallacy, indeed.

Note: Also Note: Q Threatened to kill William T Riker. "Stop, or will most certainly, die" Picard held his first officer back. Clearly all the characters treat the Q as they behave, omnipotent, to suggest anything else should be dismissed as desperation. The only limit Q Powers have is that placed on them by themselves.

 

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As I remember, in Voyager, they had a 150 isoton warhead that could "blow up a small moon". So, id consider it much stronger than a turbolaser.

And, Voyager got hit by bioship shot, shields engines intact. 8 + 1 bioships can blow up a planet...

 

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that 90 isoton bomb turned the asteroid (a rather large rock, hundreds of meters wide) and the facility into a fireball (the proverbial vaporisation) plus it was stated that it would cause catastrophic disruption at anything within 800km. and ultritium is the standard industrial explosive in UFP. since this is inreached ultritium it might be 3-5 times stronger then normal ultritium, but this still lives UFP industrial explosives far more powerfull then anything we've ever seen in SW short of a DS superlaser.

 

Saquist here are those caps you were looking for. oddly enough i had dificult time finding my original posts. did someone erase them:

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Oh boo hoo scotch, trying to change the rules AGAIN!

It's ALL OF WARS

VS

ALL OF TREK

Otherwise, it'd fall into something along the lines of:

Federation, Romulans, Klingons, Gorn, Hydrans, Vulcans, and god knows HOW many other races + rebel alliance

VS

Empire

VS

Vong

VS

Borg

VS

8472

VS

Insert Random EMO SW race that wants galactic domination here

And, AGAIN, Trek wins because Rebels + Trek Factions = OBLITERATION for all but perhaps the Borg... and if the BORG or 8472 win, Trek STILL wins!

SO

We decided the rules of engagement were

STAR TREK as a whole

VS

STAR WARS as a whole

With each side being ALL ALLIES

We excluded the Q because they can look at the ENTIRE Star Wars galaxy, go I don't LIKE you, and *poof* they NEVER existed. Period. NOTHING in SW can stop that, not even the Force Ghost of Exhar'Khun!

 

Keep drinking it in buddy... the sober truth pervails in the end.

 

Yet it would have taken every torpedo in the Enterprises armory to blow apart a hollow asteroid it was trapped in. That is hundreds of torpedoes at ~25 gigatons each.

Any time you include a facility in the explosion you must question whether most of the explosion is the original armament or the TONS of antimatter fuel the facility had been using.

As for ultritium we have heard of what it does, but never seen, period. Just like we have heard of 25 isoton photn torpedoes, but they aren;t even as impressive as 400 tons of conventional explosives.

 

Remeber that most moons are tiny compared to the planet they orbit. Luna, our moon, is a massive exception. Phobos and Deimos are more realistic for planets of Earht size and thos would be small moons. So figure 6 and 10 kilometers across.

Voyager took a glancing blow from one bioship firing a short burst. 8 bioships had to charge a capacitor for two seconds before the capacitor could destroy a palent of undetermined size.

 

Piss off

 

BTW - just watched A New Hope over again - all I could do was LAUGH as laser batteries swung wildly controlled, not by computer targeting software, but by SOLDIERS in TURRET CONTROL PODS... yeah. No way in HELL any weapon from Star Wars would hit a Trek ship simply because they'll be moving faster than the human eye can SEE, much less TRACK.

 

well it would have taken most of thier torpedoes to compleatly destroy that hollow asteroid along with the trapped Pegasus in it, but from a suface bombardement. take into the acount the fragmentation resulting from tha cracks and tunels. it is easier to destroy a compact body then a composite. as it is easier to destroy an object from within then from out.

and we did see what ultritium did in that episode. PERIOD. and why would a ketracel facility had tons of antimatter on it. to fuel the drug?

 

if an oveloaded war head can "vaporise" a 10km rock with a surface blast i'd be impressed. the fact still stands. from all the fireworks we've seen on screen SW firepower is feeble compared to ST, except for the DS's superlaser.

 

Kitt, we include all of wars VS all of trek, but we can't force jedi to ally with the sith, or klingons with cardassians. maybe we can even do that, but there is no way we can ignore citizen revolts and cultural tendencies...

 

Antaran, we have to assume it's All Galaxy as allies vs All Galaxy as allies. Otherwise there's far too many variables.

What would happen if the Federation put Warp Cores on X-Wings? Considering X-Wings currently use LIQUID fuel (as shown in A New Hope, just before the attack on the DS1, they were fueling up the fighters) and not fission reactors or anything, we can safely assume they currently have a VERY low power output.

Put in a micro-warp core, and slap on some Class 8 phaser emitters or even Pulse Phasers, and you'd have one kickass fighters. Imagine the Empires surprise when TurboLaser bolts BOUNCE off an X-Wings shields *evilgrin*

 

YESS!!! I'm going to add those to the encyclopedia. Thanks a lot...I searched the tread and it's like they disappeared.

Dude that is not 200 GIGA TONS...SCOTT must be out of his mind.
A Star Destroyer is 1 kilometer long a 200 GIG explosion would do a heck of alot more to the Bridge tower...just aim there.

Correction: Most moon in our Solar system.

Not just one Planet, Nine Planets of various sizes.

Correction: The asteroid was not hollow it was only a large fissure in the surface.

Correction: We don't have to this time because we're told the radius of ordiance is 800 kilometers in a vaccum. The explosion was all due the Ultritium burst. They had no knowledge of the power source on the Asteroid.

 

Secondly: How the heck does a Star Destroyer miss something as big as the Mon Clamari Crusier moving at such a slow relative speed!!!

 

Simple answer Saquist - stormtroopers can't hit a stationary target more than once out of twenty shots... so why would the gunners using larger, harder-to-weild weapons have any more skill?

 

Is this the longest thread or what?

 

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