Still Uncivilized

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by J.B, Jun 21, 2005.

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  1. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    I think it would be helpful if you defined civilised and civilisation JB.
     
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  3. jlocke Registered Senior Member

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    Where are the mods?

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  5. J.B Banned Banned

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    Civilization = A group of people.

    Civilized = The way that group behaves.
     
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  7. nostromo00 Registered Member

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    "Blacks are ALOT more uncivilized in country's where there was NO slavery."

    LOL, You must be kidding. How do you define 'civilized'? African-americans are PROBABLY the most UNCIVILIZED africans on this planet. The most civilized and intelligent blacks are from their respective countries or huh europe and definitely not from this snot-nosed, narcissistic, shallow in many respects very 'uncivilized' country called America. Its the number one country in the world but its culture is crap and a REFLECTION of the CHARACTER of its people. CIVILIZED is not merely physical which in my opinion is really more the state of america. This country has a small minority of top tier that keep the wheel turning but the majority of the population is very low quality. There may be third world countries that are not as physically wealthy but socially they are apt to be much more culturally and worldly aware than the average american.

    Do you really think americans are more civilized than other people? As in they do not desire to live in air-conditioned infrastructure, indoor plumbing with clean, running water. Do you believe they enjoy hardship, filth and disease and so therefore that is the reason they are in that predicament? Do you believe your luck or unluck in living in this 'civilized' country makes you automatically civilized. If you had been born in a poverty stricken third world country, would you therefore be uncivilized? America has the worst prison violence especially among the heterosexual males. This is a manifestation of americas culture and degeneracy. The average iq is 98 which is actually incredibly stupid. Do you believe people living in third world countries are not as intelligent as americans? I've had pet rats living in nice, clean cages with fresh food and water. Does that make them 'civilized'? LOLOHAHAHAHA
     
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  8. jlocke Registered Senior Member

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    We seriously need more mods, who can I talk to about this?
     
  9. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    J.B, you are almost as narrowminded as Vincent.
     
  10. jlocke Registered Senior Member

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    Seriously, we should set them up on a date, it'll be cute. They can fight over whether the blacks or Muslims are worse.

    JLocke
     
  11. J.B Banned Banned

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    Approximately 2 million girls are mutilated every year. Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, Nigeria, Somalia, and the Sudan account for 75% of all cases. In Djibouti and Somalia, 98% of girls are mutilated.
    http://www.unicef.org/pon96/womfgm.htm

    http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...n,0,4387959.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines
     
  12. J.B Banned Banned

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    A black muslim is the worst.
     
  13. jlocke Registered Senior Member

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    Saddest part is that you actually believe that...
     
  14. nostromo00 Registered Member

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    Your point is absolutely and utterly obsolete. Horribly violent, inhumane, uncivilized acts happen in america by the teeming millions because it is a state of humanity not a country and no, the justice system is quite unjust and faulty in many ways. You are being dishonest yet you may not realize it.

    There are hideous 'uncivilized' ugly things happening right under our so-called civilized noses right in this backyard. There are child prostitution rings, there are millions of people who are homeless, addicted with all manner of problems. There are hundreds of thousand of blackmarket prostitution and babyselling rings with americans the buyer. This is just the tip of the iceberg. You can go on down to the corporate structure and see how soulless, uncivlized, and corrupt it is. Domestic abuse, I can go on and on. It is a human problem.
     
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  15. J.B Banned Banned

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    Sure bad things happen everywhere, but in some places bad things happen a hell of alot more often:

    Approximately 2 million girls are mutilated every year. Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, Nigeria, Somalia, and the Sudan account for 75% of all cases. In Djibouti and Somalia, 98% of girls are mutilated.
    http://www.unicef.org/pon96/womfgm.htm
     
  16. nostromo00 Registered Member

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    I'm not going to argue any further with you except to say this; The statement "Americans are civilized" is not a real truism. Just wanted to make that clear considering you have your criminals and degenerates living under the same umbrella. They may even wear white hats and three piece suits, have families, go to church, and hold respectable social positions and they are also american.
     
  17. J.B Banned Banned

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    I never said that.
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    That's debatable, but it's a start.

    You could reason that african-american culture is less civilized than it's equivalent white culture, but there are always exceptions, such as white rednecks in rural areas, and it has only an indirect connection to the physical charateristics we call race.

    My view is that african-american culture has adapted to it's situation perfectly. In American culture, wealth and power are praised, and even criminals and gangsters are admired. The old west was admired, and the gunslingers who killed indians and took their land are considered heros.

    But you can't talk about the culture of all black or white people as a unit. there are innumerable sub-cultures within the main culture.
     
  19. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    2 million a year out of six billion people.
    That'd take about 3,000 years for them to die this way. Long-ass time.
    And, the population is growing larger, so it'd probably take twice as long.
    2,000,000
    out of
    6,000,000,000
    is not a huge amount.
     
  20. nostromo00 Registered Member

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    "My view is that african-american culture has adapted to it's situation perfectly. In American culture, wealth and power are praised, and even criminals and gangsters are admired. The old west was admired, and the gunslingers who killed indians and took their land are considered heros."

    You're right, african-american culture has adapted 'perfectly' and is a reflection of the 'faults' and 'uncivilized' and unsavory aspects that one would like not to admit. It is not civilized to bring millions of africans and enslave them, it is extremely uncivilized. Gangster and criminal activity is the antithesis of civilization but if it was used to justify the ends then thats where 'romanticizing' comes in, thats where gang culture is 'cool'. Its really bloody and pathetically obvious at least to those who want to see the truth. No race and culture is completely civilized. heheh
     
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  21. J.B Banned Banned

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    Let's debate:

    The Republic of Haiti, the only completely Black republic in the Western Hemisphere also happens to be the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. It also has the lowest life expectancy, highest illiteracy, lowest per capita consumption of newsprint, lowest per capita GNP, and the lowest level of political stability.

    Iceland, the only all-White nation in the world, has the world's highest literacy rate. 100%. It is an island of cooled volcanic magma, located Just south of the Arctic Circle. It has no coal, no fuel, no timber, no mineral wealth or natural resources, and no navigable rivers. 75% of the interior is uninhabitable and only about 1% of the land is arable. It is the youngest nation in Europe and one of the most isolated countries in the world. Nonetheless, Iceland is #2 in the world in life expectancy and has one of the world's highest standards of living, in terms of per capita income. It has tremendous medical facilities and a thriving publishing business. Virtually every family has a telephone. Upon graduation from high school, each Icelandic student has learned five languages.
     
  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I would suggest the differences between these two islands is more complicated than the race of it's constituents.
    For one thing:
    You couldn't use slaves for fishing, and they didn't have to.

    The original inhabitants of Haiti:
    Then Haiti was taken over by white people who brought over slaves and used the land for their ravenous lust for sugar:
    So, they could hardly be two different nations on the entire planet. And it only has something do to with the black population to the extent that white people felt they were fair game for exploitation.
     
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  23. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, but if it was the other way around, you'd cite the island as an example of black enterprise, wouldn't you?! ....LOL! But as it is, you're ready to make excuses for the conditions.

    Baron Max
     
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