The Confederate Flag

Discussion in 'World Events' started by dumbest man on earth, Jun 15, 2020.

  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    ok
    a naked guy with a sword and shield and army of tennessee battle flag
    now
    that is something that you do not see every day
     
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  3. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Speaking of astoundingly stupid Aussies, especially @2:32:
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The forum knows why you chose it...You literally drip with your arrogance everyday and wear it like a gadge of honour...remember? I've told you that before.
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Calm down my boy....I mean I didn't really have too much trouble dragging you out of the closet, the door was wide open!
    Don't worry too much...Trump will probably be thrown out on his fucking arse, which means you'll only have your religious/creationist side to promote with all the vociferously rhetoric you can muster

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  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    It's is an emotive issue.

    And when emotion is at play folk can lose site of the facts.

    However I think we could look at all that is going on as a general revolt against the extreme white supremacists out there and what would be really stupid is to deny that they are a problem and the vast majority of folk will take all opportunities to stand up and say they are repulsive and should be called out at every opportunity.

    The unfortunate death has become a rallying point is that really all that stupid?

    The other issue is why do the police in the USA seem to be somewhat over the top but I suspect their attitude is formed by their experience dealing with a population that may carry guns and feel that settling matters by gun play is justified much like those who decided that they would attack Fort Sumner.
    I don't think it is any mystery why the police are apparently trigger happy...it comes no doubt from having to survive in a place where people carry guns..you carry a gun presumably for the reason that many conflicts will see you up against another gun carrier.


    Personally I find holding the protest stupid given the threat of the virus and that they ignored the very real problem posed by large groups just as stupid as all the good Christians insisting they could gather and ignore the health concerns.

    Moreover what would be very stupid is to maintain a position that ignores the concerns of large sections of the community that they have good reason to demand a better deal for those who experience the negatives of white supremacists or to suggest for a moment that there is nothing to see here.
    You already admit that you don't actually know any black folk and yet you believe you can work out how they feel and think..to take such a stand really is stupid.
    But as I am presumably on your current ignore list you will never see this post.
    That is a pity because I would ask you to share your idea behind your avatar...
    Alex
     
  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    He also says he has me on ignore, yet on occasion does reply to certain posts. I suggest in reality and far closer to the truth, is the fact that he has been called out and identified for what he is, and when confronted with the difficult questions, or those that have him identified for what he is, then lacks the intestinal fortitude to reply, or perhaps realizes to answer, would make even a bigger fool of himself and further validates how others do see him.
     
  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Although he presents as very sure of himself I suspect the opposite may be the case..in any event we are indeed very lucky to have his input and be reminded that there are folk like him out there.

    I like the guy and that is why I would like to help him.

    I suspect his current avatar is the human voice box but I haven't bothered to look.

    So maybe he has had a problem in that area and we have misjudged him, now two people have asked so maybe he will give his side of the story..I do miss the laughing gorrilla however...after I saw it as laughing I could not see it as aggressive which demonstrates something about human perception.

    I am back in Sydney and hopefully when I go back up it will be with the new scope and mount...if they will fit in my small car.
    Alex
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    correct
     
  12. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Just as predicted.

    Too bad you prefer your trolling over simply asking.

    Yeah, you get lucky when I'm bored. And I'm sure that nothing I could do would change how others see me. That's how bias works.

    You can't "lose site (sic) of" what you never knew.


    Ah, you and paddo both Aussies. Makes a lot of sense in light of that video.
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i have grown up(almost) with Scottish people and its a bit of a punch to the stomach to see someone so obviously Scottish acting in a way that disgraces his own people.


    possibly, most likely it was not because china makes the largest supply of flag emblem usa clothing
    it would be about 4 times the price of a Chinese product if it was made in the usa
    possibly sold by uas company but made in china
    or screen printed by request as a job load by a usa retailer but screen printed in china
    or usa made T shirt screen printed in china so it can be sold as made in usa and sold for 4 times the price when it is shipped around the world and back again making massive pollution & wasting fossil fuel to save money & then sell it as fake made in the usa

    he is sticking the end of his pro-race-war flag pole into what could be a suicide belt
    maybe the police should open fire for safety purposes to see if he is armed or not

    precisely
    if they can start a civil war guised under a race war they can get all that lunatic cannon fodder to be their suicidal pawns so they can make the biggest ever land grab since the days of the wild west
    while they all grow fat & ridiculously super SUPER rich as weapons re-sellers
    and they can play "little hitler general" to get the job they could never buy
    to service spoilt child ego
     
  14. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    my guess a clip from Gray's Anatomy.

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    1827-1861
     
  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    How so?

    Are you trying to suggest each of us are stupid even though neither of us were at the protest.

    I think I have been stupid on many occasions in fact too many to list but for you to conclude that I am stupid because other folk attended a protest escapes me...

    That was not very nice...you may feel better about yourself if you were less inclined to try and find fault in others..but I expect you feel as though you have been on the receiving end and that you need to be cruel ...but the reason folk seemingly attack you is perhaps because they don't fully understand you and determine many of the things you seem to support suggest you are supporting things they find repulsive..Me I like to think you are a decent person with an u uncomfortable social style which I overlook to try and understand what you are really saying and seek points of agreement such as your approach to belief in general.

    Why did you not comment re my t shirt example? I thought it was a fair parrallel to find reasons why we need to recognise that some things may offend and as such need to be approached with a better attitude than their opinions don't count..imagine if you found me that intolerant in respect of religion..how would you feel?

    Could you comment on your handle selection so we can understand you ...as another human with thoughts, feelings and personal experiences...is the latest avatar a voice box..save me looking it up..I am tired from a ten hours drive yesterday so couldn't you do that for a tired old man rather than say you won't assist me to be lazy..truely I am not lazy but being old and near cripple one loses motivation to do many things so could you be a little kind and tell me what you already know. I bet there is an interesting reason on why you made your selection and I sure would like to know why you made your choice...

    Alex
     
  16. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    You already said you can't read people's minds, so then how the hell would you know something if it's not objectively obvious?

    Southern pride supporters waving Confederate flags have no problem going after groups like ISIS and silencing them. The KKK kills far more Americans than ISIS and has a much longer history of it. The reason for the discrepancy is because not only are Confederates and white supremacists one and the same, but so are most Confederate flag wavers in general. Given how many Americans see the Confederate flag as an offensive hate symbol, and given how many want to see it banned from public spaces, if the Southern pride people don't care enough to show that they vastly outnumber and condemn the people using it as a hate symbol, then they neither need nor deserve to keep this flag on public display.

    The American people didn't ignore Soviet and Chinese communism, they didn't ignore German fascism (once folks like you were sidelined by the Pearl Harbor attacks), they didn't ignore Islamic terrorism, and they shouldn't ignore white supremacist terrorism either, since it has killed more Americans than any of the other listed causes.

    No reaction doesn't mean a negative reaction and it doesn't mean a positive reaction. If not viewed as racist, why would the flag not generate a positive reaction instead of none at all? No reaction means they either don't disagree with something or they simply feel comfortable ignoring it and not giving it power, just like you pretend that's what Southern pride incest supporters are doing when they ignore the KKK.
     
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  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Is that the best you can do after being outed?

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    How others see you is your own doing, and I imagine you'll sink back into the cesspool from whence you came after Trump is likely dumped. And obviously no luck involved, simply knowing the ways of the real trolls and rednecks which your posts reflect.

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  18. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Here, I get my comedic interlude too.

     
  19. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Although it was a great deal of effort I clicked on the image and then search on google, time consuming but I found it is indeed a human voice box.
    So I suspect V may have had some experience relating to same and that experience is part of who he is...maybe someone damaged his when trying to choke him out in a cage fight.
    Alex
     
  20. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Who said anything at all about what's "objectively obvious"? It's just one straw man after another with you. Or an honest lack of basic reading comprehension.

    ISIS literally encourages illegal violence and killing. That's illegal, no matter who does it. If the KKK threatens violence or death, the law handles them just as it does ISIS. We don't have protests against ISIS either, because we already have laws that address it. You repeating your ignorance about southern pride doesn't make it any truer. It's a pretty large hurdle to prove that all the black folks that wave the battle flag are somehow racist, and every attempt to only dismisses and dehumanizes them as less capable of understanding their own interests. How many people dislike or want something banned is just an argumentum ad populum. Again, 58% (2011) of all Americans don't care either way, and 57% (2015) and 59% (2000) say it represents pride rather than racism.

    Again, only fascists demand the removal of things they just don't like.

    "Folks like me"?

    No one ignores actual violence. Except the Democrats, who founded KKK terrorism, were isolationists in WWII, and have always been soft on Islamic terrorism.

    Not sure how that differs from what I just said, aside from the stereotyping ad hominem against southerners.
    No one ever said "no reaction" meant a positive reaction. But glad you agree it doesn't mean a negative reaction either.
     
  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    so you are saying that 58 % of a predominately racist population don't care either way and yet at the same time 59% say it represents pride in being a racists and yet claim that none of it is racism?
    58 + 59 = >100 wtf?
    What is 58% of a racist population ( no caring is in fact racism in itself btw) - hence Black Lives Matter attempts to reduce the indifference to racism endemic in USA culture.
    Systemic racism "It doesn't matter as it only effects non-whites" ( non-anglo-germanic-irish)
    I would still like to find out what the South is actually proud about?
    What is this Southern pride about?
    Proud of what?

    While the UK has evolved since American independence their "colonists" in the southern states have not...
     
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  22. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    OK
    where do you get this bullshit?
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    if you can adequately describe the nature of Southern pride, I'll have a go at explaining my comment...deal?
     

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