The Only Universal Religious Position

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  1. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    Imagine that some time in the future we manage to communicate, meaningfully, with aliens from other worlds.
    Would they be religious, like humans?
    Some might be religious.
    Of the ones that are religious, would they be Christians ?
    If so, would they be Catholic or Protestant?
    If Protestant, would they be Baptist or Anglican?
    If Anglican, would they be USA Anglican or UK Anglican?
    Probably not.

    Your religion largely depends on where you live, what your parents believe and who you've met.
    You may have been brought up in a particular faith or been converted.
    It's not likely that you chose your faith after studying the pros and cons of all the living religions.

    It's unlikely that the aliens will know anything about Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha, Sadafaldeo or Monty Python.
    For more, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_founders_of_religious_traditions

    However, the aliens might easily be non-religious, because anything else requires specific indoctrination.

    Of all the religious positions, only non-religious is Universal.
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Really????

    Go to any betting agency and ask what odds they would give you when we contact aliens they would be any of the following

    Would they be religious, like humans?
    Some might be religious.
    Of the ones that are religious, would they be Christians ?
    If so, would they be Catholic or Protestant?
    If Protestant, would they be Baptist or Anglican?
    If Anglican, would they be USA Anglican or UK Anglican?


    That MIGHT give you some idea of the likelihood

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  5. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Boy . you late 1700 years , you must be reincarnate of Constantine the Roman emperor.
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Can intelligence exist without indoctrination?
     
  8. DrKrettin Registered Senior Member

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    I imagine they would be highly intelligent, so have no need for religion.
     
  9. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I imagine all the intelligent godless people in the USSR all their murdering done in the Ukraine in the 1933.
    All intelligent godless gestapo in Germany murdered a lot millions people . What a world there were over 60million peoples murdered by the educated intelligent poeple
     
  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    The Nazis weren't godless.

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  11. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    \I have seen those in my life, That is similar " In God we thrust on the dollar "
    I am not sure there military had chaplains , or religious services as we have , Even the Pope cxcxc Xll ( I Don't remember the name ) was under surveillance in Italy by Mussolini .
    So that on the soldiers buckle, was just to give the slab some encouragement.
     
  12. DrKrettin Registered Senior Member

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    Ah - so you equate godlessness with lack of morality - of course you do. Your god has the monopoly of morality. How smug and arrogant. How many wars have been waged in his name, I wonder. I was suggesting that any alien life we were to meet would be of an intellect so superior to ours that internecine religious disputes would be too stupid a concept for them.
     
  13. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    How do learn and from where you learn morality ? Allien we don't know anything about allien.
    If the state dictate you morality and you don't obey it you are immoral at such point the state have the monopoly on mortality. We on the earth have a free choice, we choose to have war or not, so don't blame any body. Religion is also a free choice.
     
  14. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Are you trying the "No True Scotsman" argument? Because I read a scholarly book on the subject called The Holy Reich, and apparently, the religious orientation of the higher rank Nazis was all over the place, most of them were Christian, and almost all the lower ranks were Christians. A few got into occult practices, and there were some Catholics. I don't know where you got the completely unsupported idea that the Nazis were mostly atheists.

    The Communist thing is also a non-starter. They killed people for their own reasons, just like they do today when Putin is Christian, and just as brutal as Stalin.
     
  15. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    You are right atheist are the best of the human evolution in the 19 -20 century.
     
  16. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You are confusing atheism with ideology. It isn't one, but Communist atheism was. It was actively against the existence of religious people, unlike modern atheism. Unless you want to argue (again) that there is something about the Bible that makes people not murder other people, a notion I find quite amusing since the Roman Catholic Church is responsible for more deaths than Communism.
     
  17. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Well if you want co compare 1700 years of Catholicism vs atheism in the USSR 70 years, you are right. Give the atheist power, one thing I would be sure they will close the churches , In the USSR if you made assembly to worship with friends in your house the demolished the houses and incarcerate the homeowner, that was a fact, not so in the present. Another thing I would not be surprised if they would not burn the bible.
     
  18. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I won't argue with you that Communist rule was horrible. But so was Czarist rule and Putin rule. Modern atheists tend to believe in religious freedom, we are a little sensitive about that. Most religious intolerance comes from other religions.
     
  19. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    What I really don't understand is the almost arrogant assumption many religions

    hold that THEY are the font of ALL knowledge

    Also while it can appreciated religious believers seem to care for my soul

    if I say don't bother

    they persist in trying

    Surely I am exercising my own free will YOUR god gave me

    Religious minions are the worst at not believing NO means NO

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  20. karenmansker HSIRI Banned

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    . . . . "hold that THEY are the font of ALL knowledge" . . . .? Not unlike some egotistical scientists here . . . IMO, of course! (HAHA!)
     
  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Sure SOME Scientist are egotistical

    If they back up their egos with EVIDENCE no other Scientist worries

    Of course egotistical religious minions knowledge has no burden of proof

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  22. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Are you discussing here or by your house. I believe here we are sharing the information we have.
    I would not attempt to discuss religion with you .
     
  23. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Here I am more than willing to discuss religion under my free will

    And I have used my free will to ignore a particular poster

    As for the persistent minions they don't come to the house after

    I put a few Halloween props around with a notice saying the devil would be attending

    and to be sure to bring about 200ml of already extracted blood with which to sign over your soul

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