Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by TruthSeeker, Feb 3, 2002.
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I dont think you understood facts, read it again..WE CANNOT DETECT anything beyond 299,792,458 m/s. NUMBERS ARE INFINITE, THERE IS NO END! Get it?
Try detecting that if you can, I dare you, and if you can, keep on going, THERE IS NO LIMIT!
"I can detect the presence of otherwise unobservable subatomic particles by examining bubble chamber photographs of particle collisions".
would u be able to take photograpphs to something as non tangible and tiny as above? AND IF YOU CAN, THEN KEEP ON GOING, ADD ANOTHER 1,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, CAN U STILL DETECT IT AFTER THAT? THEN ADD ANOTHER 1,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, ETC. CAN YOU STILL DETECT IT AFTER THAT? THEN KEEP ON GOING, THERE IS NO LIMIT! IT IS INFINITE!!!
THERE IS NO END TO SPLITTING AN ATOM, I LEARNED THAT IN FRESHMAN YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL, IF YOU REALLY CLAIM TO BE SMART IN PHYSICS, WHY DONT YOU GET THE RESOURCE YOURSELF? THIS IS ALL I CAN GIVE U AS OF NOW...This webpage however doesnt mention there is no limit to atom splitting...http://www.phy.cam.ac.uk/camphy/cockcroftwalton/cockcroftwalton2_1.htm
SO YOU ARE FLAT OUT WRONG! ATOMS ARE UNDETECTABLE TO A CERTAIN POINT, AND BECAUSE THOSE ATOMS ARE UNDETECTABLE, THEN ATOMS ARE NON PHYSICAL? IF NON PHYSICAL, THEN ATOMS ARE MYTH? LOL...
now here is a good example of a case of "you dont know what the hell you're talking about"
you must have jumped out of line the day gad was passing of brains, think he said "train"
Anything beyond 299,792,458 m/s is physicaly undedectable and uncomprehensible by any means of Physics and Mathematics; therefore, anything that moves beyond this speed, if exists, is not physical. Atoms are way below this speed. Subatomic particles goes very close to this speed but never surparses it. That was my first point in this thread...
On Radioactive Waves,
I believe he was talking about the inflationary theory, where all the universe is compressed to a single point called "singularity" (I believe you know all that...).
As Voodoo says - Oh dear.
Try this link that shows how we detect subatomic particles.
Because it doesn't appear to exist. It seems probable that you misunderstood what you were taught or that your teacher made an error.
When were you a HS freshman? Was it recently? Perhaps you can ask your teacher again.
But no I am not smart in physics, I only know some basic stuff.
So what size is magnetism?
Magnetism is very easily detectable you realize or do you want to conclude that magnetism doesn’t exist in the same way you have concluded that gravity doesn’t exist?
Again truthseeker has pointed that out already, we only determine whats physical to what we KNOW, and detect, thats illogic. Because I have not detected or knew of atoms when I was younger, therefore at the time, i simply cannot say it dont exist, because it does, I just cannot detect it. We have not detected atoms or subatomic particles before, does it mean its a myth?
That goes for whats beyond 299,792,458 m/s. We cannot detect the energy or anything that goes beyond that speed, we donot have the technology, and if we do, then the numbers are infinite and there is no end to finding more. And so what goes beyond that is non--physical? being so is it a myth? So does everything have to be detectable in order to exist?
I have an invention I call "alter-elasticity machine" in my room, its a workout system, now u have not detected this at all, however I will give you reasons to believe it. It is composed of rubber bands together, tied with a belt and I made a handle for it, and can be used for bench press. My explanation seems reasonable for you to believe my claim, THOUGH YOU HAVE NOT DETECTED MY INVENTION AS A WHOLE, u have not seen anything like it, and you have not heard anything like it, you can only find relations of it from "Bow-flex" and since bow flex exist and other machines composed of rubbers, then you assume there is no reason not to belieave of my claim BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE but again u cannot prove my invention exist or not. SO IT IS ILLOGIC TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO DETECT THINGS IN ORDER TO BELIEVE IN IT. Whatt if your color blind, is color then a myth/ WWhat if your deaf, or completely blind?
There is a relation for me of sub atomic particles and an energy that goes beyond 299,792,458 m/s, THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE, JUST AS YOU ASSUME MY MACHINE IS POSSIBLE, OR QUANTUM PHYSICS IS POSSIBLE, etc. there iis no direct proof, just like your claim of laws of physics being a sole responsible of life.
In short, AN ENERGY CAN EXIST BEYOND WHAT WE CAN DETECT WITH THE PROOF THAT SPEED OF SUBATOMIC PARTICLE WAS NOT DETECTED FEW YEARS AGO. What then is that energy? Can you say it is another form of atom if you can detect speed beyond 299,792,458 m/s, then again you can keep on going, and going, etc. Thats why my teacher teaches there is no end to splitting an atom, our technology only limits it.
I can say that the energy beyond 1,999,999,999,999,999,999 AND INFINITY is God, POWER, who are you to say it is not?? Have you detected it? No, so if u claim it is not God, THEN THATS IS YOUR BELIEF, and my BELIEF IS ITS GOD BECAUSE SUCH ENERGY IS INFINITY..SO INDEED YOU ALSO HAVE FAITH.
Yes I do believe in magnetism, and gravity, energy also comes from above to below, not just from below to above.
Yes there is magnetism from below that keeps us here, but how do you explain why planets are floating?
Thats why I use "quantum force", because the universe is alot like molecules and atom. There are spaces and gap in between the atoms within the molecules, & energy holds them intact, like egg cells within a woman's womb which seems like its floating as its caught on film.
I believe that the space is another life form. The moving asteroids are like blood cells, or electrons within an atom. And the blachhole where all the dead planets go are like skin pores, or butthole, then the mountain like which gives birth to stars are like mouth from within the body, stars being the food, and the mountain being the mouth, etc.
Indeed asteroids and dead planets may not have life initself, but if added together throughout all the planets and galaxies, I believe it is a life form as a whole, just as atoms are dead initself, but at CERTAIN DESIGN, can form into mitochondria and other singled cell life form.
Since there are spaces within an atom, I can also believe that the design of the whole universe can also be designed within the space of atoms and molecules, do we have the microscope to design it? Nope, thats my theory....There are the undetectable energy (a mystery, God), then the subatomic, atomic, molecule, etc all the way to cell, to fishes, birds, trees, humans, then space life, and sace life is also just a small part within another life form, then another life form, etc. INFINITY...
we can detect atoms and take picture of them. If billions of people are squeezed together tightly to form a circle (but not too tight so they can breathe), looking at it from a distant, it looks just like a basketball, u may say there is no gap between them because yur vision tells u so that much. However the close you look, u notice there are gaps in between each person.
This is a lot like space as well, we see the huge space and gap between us and other planets. Now there are incalculable stars, far more over quintillions after quintillions, infinity. If u look at space as a whole from a distant, you may also very well see a basketball and assume there are no spaces between the planets because theres so many of them, but as u look closer, u DETECTED that there are huge gaps between planets, as earth and sun.
This is a lot like spaces in molecules and atoms, not that it doesnt have space because it does, WE JUST CANNOT LOOK CLOSER AND DETECT AND RECOGNIZE THE SPACE WITHIN IT. It is definitely possible to design the entire galaxy within an atom because NUMBERS ARE INFINITE....THERE IS NO END TO DETECTING THINGS, IT IS ONLY OUR TECHNOLOGY THAT LIMITS IT, AND BETTER YET, OUR EYE CELLS PROBABLY DOESNT EVEN HAVE THE VISION TO SEE BEYOND THE ATOMS THAT MAKES UP THE MICROSCOPE. Just as the eagle can see 1 mile away, or a dog is color blind, our eye is even weaker than an octupus. So energies SINCE IT IS INFINITE are everyuwhere, but we cannot detect it by our vision, just like gases and oxygen...
So in summary, there may very well be universe within an atom and even living intelligence like us within an atom. U might say "Nope, it moves too fast", thats nonsense. When the atoms move, the nucleus dont move against it, it goes along with it, because its energy holds it intact, just as when electrons travel, the protons doesnt stay in one place and the neutron to the other direction, they are intact. So indeed the atoms may move to our vision, but if u live within an atom, your not really moving. Just like the whole universe, the space life, it seemed like were not moving, but the space creature may very well be running around but we just dont feel it because we r intact with it, as the nucleus of an atom to atom.
U may say "life cannot possibly adapt with that speed", wrong, if u shake the human baby fast, it may die, if u shake a baby ant fast, it will not die, because it is DESIGNED to adapt to that motion. Just like our galaxy, there are moving asteroids everywhere, universe spins, even our earth. All this motions might be too fast for the mind of aliens (if they exist) to comprehend that there is life on earth, but if they look closer, they will detect our existence...
My brain notice something, the bigger life forms are, the slower it moves. BUT DOES IT REALLY MOVE SLOW OR IS IT JUST SLOW TO WHAT MY BRAIN IS USED TO? Some people are used to watching boxing with fighters throwing atleast 200 punches a round, and when i see boxers who punches only 115, I felt they are so slow, but then again this maybe real fast to guys used to watching people box only 5 punches per round. Another example is when u work on a wnery and have to count each bottle passing by, 60 bottles per minute seemed a long time, time is slow 60 seconds feel like its 3 minutes, it seems like its moving slow because u r thinking hard & counting it. But then relax yur brain, lay back and watch it from the distance without paying attention, 1 minute will go by like nothing and 100 bottles will pass by like nothing. Take sleep for example, u wake up 9 hrs later without recognizing its length.
Gunshots may seem to travel fast, to our brain. But there could be someone who has a brain sharp enough to pinpoint exactly each and every .00000000003 seconds of its movement and sees it as if its only moving as slow as a turtle. Though to our brain its so fast. For a man to have a brain that sharp, 1 minute can be 1000 years, sharper his brain, 1 sec can be 1 million years, in fact the gun shot speed may be as slow as earth rotating. Indeed ants or flies or termites seemed to run fast for their size, to human comprehension yes, but not to the comprehension of the same species, maybe another termite just moves as slow as turtles. YOUR BRAIN doesnt comprehend the same way as others, or other species. Atoms may move around fast, but then shouldnt the galaxy inside the atom move just as fast as well? ENERGY IS WHAT KEEPS IT INTACT. As "quantum force" keeps the universe intact.
Meanwhile, our brain is also too sharp to recognize something is moving. For instance, your mind is always in motion and is sharp, it cannot possibly stay still and watch earth rotate 360 degrees without having to think of other things and wander its thoughts. In fact the whole universe maybe doing jumping jacks, which may seem exteremely slow to us because our mind is too sharp, it may seem like the whole universe to do one jump will take billions of years, for us its so slow because our brain is so sharp, meanwhile a man whos brain is FAR LESS sharper may consider billions of years as 1 seond.
So in short there is possibility of an intelligent life form and another universe inside every atom and every atom in that universe have another universe, then another atom, then universe, etc...INFINITE...Even if the electrons within an atom seems exteremely fast moving for any life form to survive, that is TO OUR HUMAN BRAIN's view of life, but then again, life adapts...
Anybody reads through whatsupyall's posts?
Is there somebody on the board who reads all of whatsupyall's posts and comprehends them? Or am I the odd man out?
Guess we need a poll on that. I invite responses.
Are you claiming you DO read everything he says and you DO comprehend everything he says?
Whatsup is someone with a very ripe and out of control imagination, influenced heavily by those who have sold him religion. He has seen some science and has merged these few, apparently misunderstood, facts with his imagination and religious indoctrination. The result is what you see – a mosaic of incomprehensible gibberish.
Perhaps with time and a good teacher he might learn to discipline his thoughts and develop a more reasonable sense of perspective. At the moment he appears unable to decipher fact from fiction, and worse is that he has very few facts.
That was relief... I am not alone!!!
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I often put leaves in a centrifuge for extractions...
I tried to comprehend whatsupyall's post above, and understood how the leaves feel! Thanks whatsupyall! And sorry leaves.
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u guys dont understand, theories can b weird, just as when i first heard "quantum mechanics" and "blackhole", they were too weird for me. Einstein was considered a weirdo before. Those are my theories above.
So you admit to be the Wierdo of the day!!!???
(some wierdos remain wierdos forever)
And what about the list of religious texts you promised on the other thread (without too many pages and the CAPS please)?
The scientific proof that.....
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When God flooded the earth, he said to Noah he wouldn't punish man because of it's evil anymore. God freed man and decided that he wouldn't reveal himself again to him.
I gess this is it. No one can prove God existence because he doesn't want that.
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