# The tides are the result of the rotation of the Earth and the whirlpools

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Fermer05, Apr 3, 2018.

1. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member

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He's selective about what he replies to, certainly. Not a honest debater. He also has refused to show the math that would make his claims credible. (Someone else should check that, my math prof was a fan of Gandalf on the bridge.)

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3. ### RainbowSingularityValued Senior Member

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discrediting the moons influence on tides would lend quite nicely to flat-earth theory.
i am hoping he might return and say he does not believe in flat earth theory.
this would make the alternate tides theory slightly more interesting.
though he would need to discredit(or vastly re-arrange) waters fluid surface tension properties & electrical properties first, and THAT would be quite fascinating to read IF it was logically founded.
i am expecting that "whirlpools" are a substratum derivative of membrain theory revised...
then applied to a spinning disk as opposed to a rotating sphere.

5. ### originHeading towards oblivionValued Senior Member

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Looks to me like exchemist was spot on with his critique of you post.

7. ### exchemistValued Senior Member

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Do you suppose "liniar" denotes something made of, or related to, linen, from the latin "linum", i.e. flax?

Perhaps he thinks I talk "sheet". Could that be it? (Just trying to do some lateral thinking here.)

8. ### Fermer05Registered Member

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The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the whirlpool. And the height of the tidal wave depends on the speed of rotation of the whirlpool of the orbital velocity of the Earth, and the time of the tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
where: A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 - rotation speed of the whirlpool.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t - the time of tilting of the whirlpool (12 hours).

The formula A = V1 • V2 / t does not fully reflect the essence of the phenomenon of tides.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the whirlpools, the amount of water under the whirlpool, the distance from the coast to the whirlpool, and the inclination of the Earth's equator relative to the Earth's orbit.
It is possible to predict the height of the tides and experimentally, catching the connection between the height of the tidal wave with the rotation speed of the whirlpool, in this area, using a remote tachometer.

If the rivers flowing into the sea and the local winds move in the direction of the whirlpool rotation, the amplitude of the tidal wave increases.
The amplitude of tides and tides can also be predicted for the seasonal increase in water levels in the seas and oceans.
The higher the level of seasonal increase in water level, the higher the amplitude of tides.

9. ### spidergoatLiddle' Dick TaterValued Senior Member

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Why does it happen twice a day? ...In a regular pattern that advances over time?

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11. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member

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Now, without the copy pasta, explain that math.

12. ### spidergoatLiddle' Dick TaterValued Senior Member

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"While the Earth makes one revolution around its axis, the maelstrom turns over twice"
The North Atlantic Current has a speed of 2 knots. It does not revolve twice a day.

13. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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No it doesn't. Tides proceed at the same frequency everywhere.
The amplitude of the tides at night is not always greater than in the daytime.

Have you ever spent any time near an ocean?

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15. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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Is it among the 40 of calendars?

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According to a recent estimate, there are about forty calendars used in the world today, particularly for determining religious dates. Most modern countries use the Gregorian calendar (see the Year) for their official activities

http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars/calendar.html

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16. ### Q-reeusValued Senior Member

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This thread not entirely a waste - not when it leads to discovering a maybe unique vid. Uncluttered with any text or words - blissing out + learning at the same time:

17. ### RainbowSingularityValued Senior Member

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some basic science for anyone reading

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perigean_spring_tide#Astronomical_causes
500 million in 1962 is equal to todays money
2018 \$4,108,733.33
https://www.saving.org/inflation/inflation.php?amount=500,000&year=1962

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18. ### Fermer05Registered Member

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1. In some bays (Mont-Saint-Michel), with a frequency of 10-20 years, record high tides are formed. "Moon theory of tides," explains this phenomenon by increasing the force of gravity.But why gravity does not increase in other bays, moreover, in some bays the amplitude of tides at the same time decreases on the contrary ..

And the hypothesis of precessing whirlpools, explains this phenomenon, by the coincidence of a number of facts:
1. An increase in the angular velocity of rotation of the whirlpool (prevailing winds, flood waters, Coriolis force).
2. High orbital velocity of the Earth (perihelion, new moon).
3. Large inclination of the Earth's axis, relative to the axis of the Sun (Coriolis force).
This can be easily verified by relying on the experience with the globe described below.

In the Bay of Mont-Saint-Michel, in northern France, the amplitude of the tidal wave varies in the range of 1-15 meters. This says about a fifteenfold fluctuation of the gravitational force of the moon, and that such a fluctuation should occur, the Moon must come fifteen times to the Earth and move not over the ellipse, but over the hyperbole, while the planets and satellites moving along the hyperbole break from the orbit.

19. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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Can't be a Flat Earth nut - he used globe - must be a new species

20. ### Q-reeusValued Senior Member

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1. Flood waters appreciably influence 'whirlpool rotation speeds'?
You can defend sensible connections between any of those?
Umm...no. Coriolis force has zilch to do with Earth's axis tilt (well maybe very indirectly via annual solar radiation's effect on weather). Axis tilt connects to a long period precession of axis: http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/earth_precess.htm
Note the period - somewhat outside any Earth tides band of interest!!

21. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 70 years oldValued Senior Member

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Think your wrong does not even deserve being called wrong. It's off the wrongness scale

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So if the separation distance is doubled (increased by a factor of 2), then the force of gravity is decreased by a factor of four (2 raised to the second power). And if the separation distance is tripled (increased by a factor of 3), then the force of gravity is decreased by a factor of nine (3 raised to the second power).

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/cla...e-Apple,-the-Moon,-and-the-Inverse-Square-Law

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22. ### RainbowSingularityValued Senior Member

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Gravity does not increase...per-say.
the gravitational force exerted on the water is increased.
Water is an electromagnetic substance.

you may have some words being put in front of or behind words incorrectly becase of the difference between english & russian language.
text translation systems are not as good as a person who can fluently speak both languages.