The Trump Presidency

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  1. douwd20 Registered Senior Member

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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    ? The ideology of the pre-Nixon Southern Democrats (or "Dixiecrats", as they tried to sell) is the direct ideological ancestor of most of your posting on this forum.

    You are spouting Klan apologetics routinely, for example, and that stuff traces to the political ideology of the Confederacy (the "south") as kept up and overtly displayed in the pre-Nixon Democratic Party.

    That was before Nixon showed the Party of Lincoln that it could win national elections - elections that needed votes from the white racial bigots of the southern US - by becoming the Party of Jefferson Davis, thereby representing the concerns of white racial bigots. That's when the Confederacy switched to backing Republicans - as soon as the Republican Party proved it was the Party of racial bigots. The Dems had been doing stuff like enforcing Constitutional principles, equality under the law and so forth - so all the Confederacy was ready to jump ship. Nixon's contribution was to realize - and prove - that waterheads of that water could be manipulated into simply forgetting what they had thought and seen even a week ago, let alone a year or more.
     
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  5. douwd20 Registered Senior Member

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  7. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Oops, too many inconvenient facts for douwd to handle.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Already handled.
    Try paying attention.
     
  9. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    Is Donald Trump the leader of a cult?

    1) He's had his Jim Jones moment, with the bleach-drinking.
    2) He has a loyal following, who cheer his every word, including when he talks about how he walks down ramps and drinks from a glass. Only the truly woke can do this and make people cheer. My uncle used to talk about his bunions, but didn't get the same reaction(?!).
    3) He appears to have no concerns about a pandemic which is killing people and overwhelming the health system.
    4) Given 1, 2 and 3, he obviously sees himself as a prophet of doom. The message is about surrendering your mind and your life, to him and him alone.
    Ok, you could well lose your life, gasping for air on a hospital bed, but if you're a true believer there will be a place for you on the mothership.
     
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  10. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    In before anyone else mentions that thing about Russia paying the Taliban to kill Americans while Trump invited them to the G7...
     
  11. river

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    If True that Trump knew about russa putting dollar signs on American Soldiers , And took no Action against russa , That is fundamentally , TREASON .
     
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  12. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Vociferous is going to deny it as long as humanly possible, then switch over to telling us that it was necessary to prevent a violent Antifa LGBTQ coup in the US. Russia and the Taliban are America's friends now.
     
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  13. river

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    This is very dangerous .

    trump should be immediately arrested for Treason .
     
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  14. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    No he shouldn't, because then Vociferous might lose some of his privileges.
     
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  15. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    I guess this little straw man is to distract from your utter lack of response here: http://sciforums.com/threads/the-trump-presidency.158659/page-208#post-3640763
    You seem to like making up lies.
     
  16. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Not a strawman, it's called treason, and it's a charge backed by testimony directly from the US military.

    I'll admit my earlier post about you was mistaken, it was Sculptor in another thread who was saying Mr. Floyd made Mr. Chauvin fear for his life and is therefore responsible for his own death. You then jumped in here claiming to support gun rights for black people, at which point you exposed the contradiction that it's ok for people (mostly white) to use violence to protect their gun arsenals if law enforcement and courts try to confiscate them, but not to resist if the police are violating their rights in ways that most often apply to black people.

    If you'll admit that Sculptor's comments are blatantly racist, then I'll be happy to apologize for my mistaken attribution.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Two individual US citizens of two different races, you mean.

    That's easy: Because they face different consequences from their actions.
     
  18. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Trump response to the intel about Russia paying Taliban cash to kill American troops shows how unfit he is to be president.
     
  19. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Trump supporters would say that's a complete lie, because he hasn't actually responded yet.
     
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    I don't know; this outcome from the Twitterverse seems apropos:

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  21. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    It most certainly is a straw man, because I haven't said boo about treason, either way. I haven't seen enough yet to make any judgement on it at all. Those who prejudge to fit their existing bias sure have though.

    You're still lying. I've already said that black people should protect their guns rights, just like anyone else. The more Second Amendment supporters the better. And I'd tell whites, or anyone else, exactly the same thing about interacting with police. And you gloss over the fact that the arrest of a criminal is legal, even if what happened once detained wasn't.

    Obviously, Chauvin didn't have any reason to fear for his life. Anyone claiming Chauvin had continuing reason to fear once Floyd was already subdued is making irrational excuses, at best. Equally as obvious is the fact that had Floyd not resisted arrest (or committed his crimes in the first place), there would have been no opportunity for Chauvin to kill him. Does that mean Floyd is to blame for his own death? Of course not. But if we're playing your little game of perfect foresight, where onlookers could have somehow acted with some semblance of legal certainty, that applies more so to the actions of Floyd.

    Seeing as you like straw men, you'd have to point me to a specific quote for me to decide if it was racist. Not taking your word on what others have said.
    But admission is either tantamount to apology or indicative of intellectual dishonesty. I'm good either way.
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Ahhh, more self gazing. Dishonesty is something you are pretty adept at, having practised it now over many threads.
    Trump is a buffoon pure and simple, and I hope most Americans can now see their error in voting for this prick of a man.
     
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    [#trumpswindle | #WhatTheyVotedFor]

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    Above: Presidential candidate Donald Trump greets the Republican Jewish Congress, 3 December 2015. (Detail of photo by Saul Loeb/AFP)

    Below: Comparison of Trump 2020 campaign t-shirt with well-known Nazi logo.

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