The Trump - Putin Ticket

Discussion in 'Politics' started by joepistole, Jul 31, 2016.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's not Putin's behavior we need to worry about. He doesn't have military forces stationed all over the planet, any nuclear exchange he launched would involve his own borders and population directly, and he appears to know better than to spread nuclear weaponry around if preventable.
    They had a mob war, the ex head of the KGB won it, and things settled down under the godfather. Now comes the expansion phase of the rebuilding of empire. This of course means more freedom, because the US is kept out.
    Hmmm.

    Ok. Nuclear winter is exactly the same fake like climate change - same physics, same climate models, same data base, a lot of the same scientists even - and the chance for mankind to survive is just as good: so no more worries for you.

    The only way the evil Clinton could wipe out the human race in her mania for slaughter, is if climate change existed. If it's a fake, Clinton is no big risk.

    I don't know why it took me so long to think of that. I've babysat a lot of children who had monsters under their beds or behind closet doors, the situation should have been obvious.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently, he has among other things hacked excerpts from Clinton's speeches to the bankers. Nothing that's going to move the needle, unless Trump quits blowing off toes - potential Clinton voters have already made their peace with her Goldman Sachs connections, one would assume.
     
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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    He delivered. By which I mean he provided evidence of her speeches for money.

    But the video of Trump boasting about how he groped and sexually assaulted women rolled over it like a steam train.

    So whatever he promised to deliver which would destroy Clinton, was completely overshadowed first by a huge hurricane and then by Trump himself and the now infamous video.

    Interestingly, that video has managed to bring the Democrats and Republicans together as all sides scramble to call it disgusting. Republicans are currently having public meltdowns about how to salvage the situation. His base are doing the uncomfortable chuckle and calling it 'locker room talk', when it was not, and Republicans on the ticket are now trying to do a runner in the opposite direction, demanding he step down, which of course he will not do. They can now no longer run from the fact that Trump was never about the GOP or the good of the country or the good of the party. Trump has always and only been about Trump. And the stain will stick to them as they head to the ballot box come November, because people will remember how they endorsed him and supported him..

    Their hope is for Pence.. When the video broke, here is what Pence said:

    Mike Pence, the man Republican leaders are dreaming about as the answer to their Trump problem, talking about Trump two hours after that tape of Trump surfaced, as Buzzfeed’s Brandon Wall reports: "I just tell people, Donald Trump gets it. You know what I mean? I mean, he’s a genuine article. He’s a doer in a game usually reserved for talkers. When he does his talking, he doesn't go tiptoeing around all those thousands of rules of political correctness."

    It is as though they are writing the ads for the Democrats at this point.

    The Democrats should run ads with soundbites from Trump about how he can't help himself but grope and kiss women he thinks are attractive, and then run ads from that show he went on a few weeks ago, where he said he tried to kiss his daughter every chance he got.

    No, really, this is what he comes out with after video surfaces of Trump boasting about sexually assaulting women and then about how he tried to seduce the wife of someone he knows, a few months after he was married and his bitching about how she turned him down and his referring to her now as being ugly? This is what he comes out with when the video showed Trump's true degrading views of women? That he's a "do'er" who isn't into political correctness? Good grief!

    "Do'er" of what? Groping women he thinks are attractive and kissing them without their consent?

    Safe to say, Assange is being defeated by Trump as Assange works to take down Hillary. Irony!
     
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  7. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    Russia has a different from of government from the USA, although there are similarities. The Russia government, like the USA, is run by rich and powerful special interest from behind closed doors. In Russia, they will openly bribe political leaders. In the US, the bribe is done, indirectly via campaign donations and golden parachutes after they leave office. Another difference is in Russia, the bribery is done mostly for the needs of crony capitalism, where rich and power interests bribe government leaders, to gain monopoly powers to expand wealth. This is also done in the US, but not as successfully. Although the health care industry was able to follow the Russian model of crony capitalism.

    The reason Putin has greater affinity for Trump, is Trump is a powerful billionaire businessman. Trump is closer, in rank, to the powers who lead Russia from behind the scenes. Putin is used to working as an agent, for very powerful people. He sees a President Trump as being able to gain respect among his own behind the scene leadership. He thinks Trump may be able to influence their international decisions, that could cause Putin, to destabilize the world.

    Hillary will not be able to impact the behind the scenes power brokers, the same way. Hilary is more like one of the pawns to power, like Putin; likes donations. With Hilary as president, Putin could find himself forced to pursue paths that could lead to destabilizing the world. It will be America power brokers versus Russian power brokers.Trump offers the possibility of a liaison to the powerful power brokers in Russia and US. Trump has investments in Russia and may already know many of these people, since you can't do anything in Russia, unless these people get a tribute. Then may be telling Putin to welcome Trump, since he is one of them; power behind governments.

    The establishment in USA does not like Trump because he is one of the power brokers and knows the rules of their game. If Trump goes patriotic on them, and also becomes president, he can upset the behind the scene balance of power. Trump is not about cronyism, so this will impact the democratic power brokers and politicians, the most. They are fighting dirty as possible out of desperation. Trump could devastate the Democrat party cronyism money laundering scams.The Democrats should have diversified into free enterprise and not place all their eggs into crony capitalism, like in Russia. The Republicans have a more balance donation portfolio.
     
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  8. Bells Staff Member

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    You are saying that the guy who bought his way into the Republican Party, who hired his children to work in senior positions in his company, who paid off AG's to drop lawsuits against his 'university', is not about cronyism? The very same guy who boasted about being a crony capitalist, is not about cronyism?

    We are used to your delusions, Wellwisher, but I can safely say that we are well over it.
     
  9. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, you really cannot make this stuff up. Every time you think Republicans cannot get more ridiculous, they get even more ridiculous. For decades now Republicans have been largely unaccountable. As long as they have someone to blame, they need never be held accountable for their misdeeds, incompetence, and ignorance, and so it has been....the politics of blame. It has worked for Republicans.
     
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  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    One of the main differences is that in the US the outcome of elections aren't predetermined. One of the key differences is that in the US the rule of law matters and no one is above the law. The irony here is that Republicans, which you idolize and support, have steadfastly fought against campaign finance laws. Democrats want campaign finance reforms; Republicans don't. The reason America's campaign finance is as bad as it is, is because Republican Supreme Court justices made it that way when they reversed Citizens United.

    The reason Putin favors Trump and is trying to get him elected is because Trump favors appeasement policies towards Russia which would allow Putin to continue invading and annexing the lands of his neighbors and building his military capacity. Apparently, among many other things, Trump has not learned the lessons of WW II. I guess he must have been chasing skirts that week. There's also the fact that Trump would be very easy for Putin to manipulate. You see how much mileage Putin has gotten with a few simple complements. And then there is the fact that Putin has wanted to do business in Russia for a very long time - God knows why. Trump has been easily manipulated by Putin and would continue to be easily manipulated by Putin.

    You or your Republican cohorts have any evidence Hilary has done anything untoward while in office or out of office. Unlike Trump, her records and the Clinton Foundation records are a matter of public record and have been so for many decades. Hilary would, with our allies, continue Obama's policies toward Putin and his cronies. They wouldn't let him invade and annex the lands of neighboring states. They wouldn't allow him to repeat the Hitler's game plan. Hilary wouldn't repeat the mistakes of WW II. Putin would become Putin's vassal, and that could spell out the death of our democracy and our Constitution.

    Trump is already on record as wanting to suppress the First Amendment. He's already on record as wanting to suspend civil rights and torture people he suspects of being terrorists. Trump is on his way to becoming a mini Putin and Putin's vassal.

    I guess you don't know your candidate. Because if you did, you would know Trump is all about crony capitalism. As others have told you, that's how The Donald got his start. The Donald would be a used car salesman today were it not for crony capitalism. Trump was born into America's richest family. His father funded him. The Donald started at the top, not the bottom of capitalism. The Donald has often boasted about his crony capitalist successes. I guess you missed that part.
     
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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ussian-hack-announcement-is-a-big-deal-214330

    Some newly informed background on the Trump/Putin connection.

    sample:
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Trump did something interesting at a rally in Pennsylvania today..

    He lifted up a document and read it to the crowd. The document was an email.. The email he read from, only appeared on Sputnik, a Russian Government controlled propaganda outlet. It only appeared on there for a short time today. The issue with the email that Trump read to the crowd was quickly apparent.

    The documents that Wikileaks unloaded recently have been emails out of the account of John Podesta, the chairman of Clinton’s election campaign. Almost as soon as the pilfered documents emerged, Sputnik was all over them and rapidly found (or probably already knew about before the Wikileaks dump) a purportedly incriminating email from Blumenthal.

    The email was amazing—it linked Boogie Man Blumenthal, Podesta and the topic of conservative political fevered dreams, Benghazi. This, it seemed, was the smoking gun finally proving Clinton bore total responsibility for the terrorist attack on the American outpost in Libya in 2012. Sputnik even declared that the email might be the “October surprise” that could undermine Clinton’s campaign.

    There is a reason why the email was only on the Russian propaganda site for a very short time. The reason being that it was dramatically altered.

    To understand the full importance of the story—and how much Putin and his Kremlin cronies must have been dancing with delight—I have to quote the top few paragraphs:

    In a major revelation from the second batch of WikiLeaks emails from Clinton Campaign Chairman John Podesta it was learned that Hillary's top confidante Sidney Blumenthal believed that the investigation into Benghazi was legitimate because it was "preventable" and the result of State Department negligence.

    In an email titled "The Truth" from Hillary's top confidante Sidney Blumenthal, the adviser writing to undisclosed recipients said that "one important point that has been universally acknowledged by nine previous reports about Benghazi: The attack was almost certainly preventable" in what may turn out to be the big October surprise from the WikiLeaks released of emails hacked from the account of Clinton Campaign Chair John Podesta.

    Then came the money quote: "Clinton was in charge of the State Department, and it failed to protect U.S. personnel at an American consulate in Libya. If the GOP wants to raise that as a talking point against her, it is legitimate," said Blumenthal, putting to rest the Democratic Party talking point that the investigation into Clinton's management of the State Department at the time of the attack was nothing more than a partisan witch hunt.

    Those words sounded really, really familiar. Really familiar. Like, so familiar they struck me as something I wrote. Because they were something I wrote.

    The Russians were quoting two sentences from a 10,000 word piece I wrote for Newsweek, which Blumenthal had emailed to Podesta. There was no mistaking that Blumenthal was citing Newsweek—the magazine’s name and citations for photographs appeared throughout the attached article. The Russians had carefully selected the “of course” paragraph, which mentions there were legitimate points of criticism regarding Clinton and Benghazi, all of which had been acknowledged in nine reports about the terror attack and by the former Secretary of State herself. But that was hardly the point of the story, “Benghazi Biopsy: A Comprehensive Guide to One of America’s Worst Political Outrages.” The piece is about the obscene politicization of the assault that killed four Americans, and the article slammed the Republican Benghazi committee which was engaged in a political show trial disguised as a Congressional investigation—the tenth inquiry into the tragedy.


    As Kurt Eichenwald goes on to say, this would normally have given the world reason to laugh at the inane stupidity of the Russian hackers and their propaganda site except for one thing.

    Of course, this might be seen as just an opportunity to laugh at the incompetence of the Russian hackers and government press—once they realized their error, Sputnik took the article down. But then things got even more bizarre.

    This false story was only reported by the Russian controlled agency (a reference appeared in a Turkish publication, but it was nothing but a link to the Sputnik article). So how did Donald Trump end up advancing the same falsehood put out by Putin’s mouthpiece?

    At a rally in Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania, Trump spoke while holding a document in his hand. He told the assembled crowd that it was an email from Blumenthal, whom he called “sleazy Sidney.”

    “This just came out a little while ago,’’ Trump said. “I have to tell you this.” And then he read the words from my article.

    “He’s now admitting they could have done something about Benghazi,’’ Trump said, dropping the document to the floor. “This just came out a little while ago.”

    The crowd booed and chanted, “Lock her up!”

    This is not funny. It is terrifying. The Russians engage in a sloppy disinformation effort and, before the day is out, the Republican nominee for president is standing on a stage reciting the manufactured story as truth. How did this happen? Who in the Trump campaign was feeding him falsehoods straight from the Kremlin? (The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment).

    So yes, how did Trump come to read from a document that only appeared on a Russian Government propaganda site, a document that the Russians altered?

    Eichenwald has a reason to be angry. He deserves answers as do many others, as to how Trump was able to get his grubby little mitts on Russian disinformation that was only published on a Russian Government controlled propaganda website for a very short space of time before it was taken down..

    Because what we have here is Russia manipulating an email, posting it on their controlled and owned website, no one else reported on it and Trump reads directly from it and treated it as fact at a rally. In short, Trump, the GOP Presidential nominee is now spreading Russian false Russian propaganda.

    The links between Trump and Russia must be explained by the Trump campaign.
     
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  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well now he's looking at payback.
     
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    Washington Post Editorial: Donald Trump, Putin’s puppet

    Here’s what we don’t know: Does Mr. Trump propose this collaboration with a regime obsessed with thwarting and weakening American power out of ignorance and naivete, or because of personal and business interests he has not disclosed? Mr. Putin surely knows the answer to that question — but U.S. voters do not.
     
  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Based on what you know of Trump and his past behaviors, I'd say both. A few months ago, Trump told people Russia wouldn't invade Crimea. Apparently he was completely unaware Russia had not only invaded Russia and annexed it.

    On another issue key to his campaign platform, Obamacare, he was completely unaware of the fact that Obamacare doesn't adversely affect his employees. Trump is grossly ignorant of many things.
     
  17. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    So how big a headline will Sen. Reid's↱ letter be?

    The double standard established by your actions is clear.

    In my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government ― a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States, which Trump praises at every opportunity. The public has a right to know this information. I wrote to you months ago calling for this information to be released to the public. There is no danger to American interests from releasing it. And yet, you continue to resist calls to inform the public of this critical information.

    By contrast, as soon as you came into possession of the slightest innuendo to Secretary Clinton, you rushed to publicize it in the most negative light possible.

    Suffice to say, I really want to see the file on "Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government".
    ____________________

    Notes:

    Reid, Harry. Letter to James Comey. 30 October 2016. bdThisIs.WordPress.com. 30 October 2016. http://wp.me/aUgG0-2fk
     
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  18. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Trump in a Fox News interview drew another moral equivalency between the US and Putin where none exists. The US does not yet murder dissidents. It doesn't murder journalists. Perhaps that's where Trump wants to take the nation.

    Trump and his surrogates keep saying what's the harm in a better relationship with Russia if Russia helps in the fight terrorism. First, I have to question what help Russia can be in fighting terrorism. Russia has very limited abilities to fight terrorism beyond its borders. What value can Russia bring to the fight against terrorism? It has little in the way of intelligence and even less in military capability. It Trump's intent to use Russia to nuke a few terrorist outposts? What can Russia do the US and her allies cannot do?

    The fact is Russia has little to offer the US in the fight against terrorism.

    It appears to me that Trump is assuming facts not in evidence.
     
  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    He also can not account for the biggest deployment of US military in Poland since ww2 which stands in stark contradiction to his chummy relationship with Putin.
     
  21. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Probably because that deployment was ordered by his predecessor. Obama managed to box The Donald in before he left office.

    If Trump wants to ease up on his beloved Putin, it will cost him dearly. Congress will not abide it and they will override him and Trump, an already unpopular president, will look very incompetent and weak.
     
  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    If I am not mistaken the timing of the Poland deployment coincides with CIA announcement of Russian interferance in the election. And was upgraded with further reports of a secret dossier.

    Need to check dates.
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Also the sheer scale of the deployment has to be considered.
    (Biggest deployment since ww2 is not a minor force)
    It also accounts for why the EU has been soft in it's response to Trump.
     
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