The universe is a mathematical construct

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  1. river

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    Thanks for the thoughts Michael

    Life is not a force of the Universe . Universe being defined as that which is a part of the Periodic Table . In any form . Hot and cold .

    Life is force of its own . It Uses the Periodic Table , to survive , to manifest .
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    "Life" is not a force per se. There is no Elan Vital.
    But Life may be identified as a form of dynamical biophysical expression.
     
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  5. river

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    The Periodic Table has No Intelligence within it . The Periodic Table of Elements does not evolve nor adapt .

    Yes it is, Yes There is . Life is the Force of Intelligence .
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Close but not driven by a motivated intelligence (ID).

    Existence of everything in the universe (including life) is a continuing process of dynamical interactions of fundamental values (quanta) via mathematically guided functions. A better term for this model is a "quasi-intelligent" mathematical processing and ordering of physical demand created of necessity by the presence of sufficient elementary ingredients.
    (Sorry Michael, there is no better model that I am aware of).

    The proof of this hypothesis lies in the fact that human symbolic mathematics allows us to analyse and model universal physical properties and dynamical interactive functions to a high degree of accuracy, including prediction of future probabilities.

    We understand the universe through mathematics. This is a falsifiable hypothesis and has proven practical application. There is no better alternative functional theory which is not founded in mathematics.

    AFAIK there is no defensible alternate hypothesis.

    p.s. @ river: I agree that physics is the substance of the universe. I propose that mathematics is the essence of the physical universe, not ID.
     
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  8. river

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    Energy and Matter , the Periodic Table , has no Life nor Intelligence .

    BS Write4U .

    Life and Life's Intelligence is not about design . But what Life is ; Life .
     
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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, that's on your wagon.
    Life is just another form of imperative dynamical existence via mathematical "guiding equations".
    I agree, but why do you want to make it mysterious when we know how it works?
     
  10. river

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    Because Life has always existed within it .

    We have discussed before that mathematics in and of its self can not create nor influence anything . At All .

    What guides the equations is the physical . Periodic Table . Whether you measure any dynamic or not is irrelavent to whether any dynamic will happen , has happened or could happen or not .
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No it hasn't.
    Quantum fields are not alive. They have the mathematical/physical potential for Abiogenesis and Life.
    Ok, you have 3 apples and 4 people. Try to give each person a whole apple. You can stand on your head and you cannot do it.
    Your logic is non-mathematically guided by Scripture. The bible says it's possible. "Loaves and fishes" anyone? " Come and get it, there's plenty for everyone!"
    Noooo, the periodic table is a mathematical instrument. Atomic weights, types, all properly ordered by their mathematical properties. All of science is based the mathematics of that mathematical instrument . Can you produce the physical atoms for viewing?
    I bet "Loafs and Fishes" did not physically happen, it's mathematically impossible.
     
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  12. river

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    Write4U

    At some point in your thinking , if not already , you will understand that the physical underpins Everything . Not mathematics . But really you know that already .
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Physics is the substance of the universe, mathematics is the essence. You may never have realized that....

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  14. river

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    Physics IS the Substance , Physical Things . Mathematics is not the essence . Since it can not create anything . Mathematics is consequence of Three Dimensional Things , Physical Things .
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Three dimensions is a mathematical pattern, a geometry. The Universe is a geometrical pattern.
    It provides the guiding equations of everything that happens inside it.
    Coordinates are mathematical spacetime locations. Physics are mathematical value densities.
     
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  16. river

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    To the Universe none of this matters . The Universe is physical , as a consequence it will have three dimensional geometry and patterns . Because it is Physical .

    Coordinates , are indeed about space-time ( in space at a certain time ) .

    Because of the physics .

    If I take away the Physical of Things , there is Nowhere where Mathematics Could Exist .
     
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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, the Universe "cares" about the physics?
    It's pattern is mathematical.
    Yes, mathematical coordinates.
    No the physics are a result of mathematical value densities, patterns.

    Quanta are discreet packets of energy values and can only be measured mathematically.
     
  18. river

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    Closely packed .

    Light Energy , in the Universe , Always can be traced back to Physical Sources , Galaxies , Quasars , All the way down .
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    To quanta.
     
  20. river

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    Smaller than quanta .
     
  21. river

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    From my post#175

    Light Energy , in the Universe , Always can be traced back to Physical Sources , Galaxies , Quasars , All the way down .

    Not only light energy , but All Forms of Energy .

    The minutest being sub-sub-sub of Atomics .

    It has fantastic Acceleration and Speed , therefore kinetic energy . And it is Extremely Cold , minus 273 Kelvin . Minus 400°F . There is little friction at these tempertures .
     
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  22. river

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    From my post#173

    If I take away the Physical of Things , there is Nowhere where Mathematics Could Exist .

    Even a Universe devoid of life , is based on physical things .
     
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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    In this universe any dynamical system, living or not, contains a mathematical essence to the dynamical activity.

    Even a state of Chaos contains a mathematical potential.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory#

    Universal mathematics are the guiding equations in all dynamical systems.
     

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