Too many Chefs.

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Counter, Jan 2, 2017.

  1. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    I propose a theory that is yet to be defeated...

    "A cook will always pass."

    A cook must be in the kitchen by definition: they are cooking. The cook has therefore passed through the doorway to reach the cooker: a cook has passed.

    Should the cook remain in the kitchen to eat, and stay there, the food will inevitably pass through: a cook has passed.

    Should someone enter a cooking course, and fail, you may argue they have therefore failed, and not passed. However as the person has failed to achieve said qualification , they are not a cook: a cook has passed.

    Should a chef never enter a kitchen in their whole life, until death, the cook has still passed (away).

    Can anyone defeat this philosophical proposition??
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes call him a food preparation technician.
    Alex
     
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  5. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    ...what does he do for a living...?

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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Technically he prepares food for a living that's what food technicians do but some folk call them chefs.
    Alex
     
  8. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    ...but they do cook right??

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  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    They prepare the food and place it a contraption called a stove, sometimes called an oven, and it is this thing we call a stove or an oven that cooks the food, the food technician removes the food when cooked from the oven or stove but we can not call the food technician a stove or an oven although some folk will call a stove or oven a cooker.
    Alex
     
  10. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    ...but without the "cook" to prepare the food, the food remains uncooked. It is because of the action of the cook the food becomes cooked.
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    If you call the chef a cook he will not be happy.
    Anyways I will let you define folk the way you wish simply to help you continue with the OP although I do wonder if we leave the obligatory defining session associated with philosophy threads too early.

    Alex
     
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    A cook is a generic term for anyone who makes edible vittles. This includes anyone who can cook at home or a pancake house/diners, buffets, chilis, applebees etc. A chef is a culinary professional who has had some high training or attained a level of skill to come up with their own dishes. A chef knows not only how to cook what they usually eat or regional cuisine most cooks are limited to but have a more developed sophistication, appreciation, palate, knowledge and ability to make a diverse range of dishes as in world cuisine.
     
  14. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    A cook is in the kitchen. He or she will pass, to enter the kitchen, as they will pass once again when they leave. This assumes the cook has not become larger than the doorway before they leave. If they do not leave, then they have passed.

    A cook by definition, cooks. A chef cooks.

    Should they be cooking outdoors, they will serve the food. The food is passed. Even on inspection.
     
  15. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Duplicate
     
  16. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Your proposition is devoid of value since the same linguistic games can be played with anything.
    Since it is devoid of value there is nothing to defeat.
    Therefdoes not pass, despite the cook's best efforts.
     
  17. Counter Registered Senior Member

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    "Your proposition is devoid of value since the same linguistic games can be played with anything."

    Exactly!

    "Yes call him a food preparation technician."

    Call what a food preparation technician??
     
  18. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    What does this have to do with philosophy?

    It might conceivably be intended as a logical argument, but it isn't clear what the conclusion is supposed to be. The truth of "A cook will always pass"?

    But if it's intended to be a logical argument, then the meaning of the terms must remain consistent throughout.

    You seem to be playing with ambiguities in the word "pass". Pass through a door, pass an exam or pass away (die).
     
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  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Not all chefs cook.
     
  20. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    This thread is an example of why I find philosophy tedious and boring.
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Write "cook" on a football and have a football player throw a pass through the kitchen. Proposition defeated!
     
  22. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    "A cook will always pass".

    Not necessarily. Quarterback Connor Cook was benched at least once when he was playing for Michigan State.

    http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2013/09/michigan_states_connor_cook_on.html

    And Raiders coach Jack Del Rio said that he considered benching Cook in the Raiders' wild-card loss. (In Cook's defense, it was the rookie third-string quarterback's very first NFL start. The second string quarterback, Matt McGloin said he was available, but had a shoulder injury that limited his effectiveness.)

    Next season Cook almost certainly won't pass in regular season games for the Raiders (except for the practice team), since starter-phenom Derek Carr is expected to be recovered from his fibia fracture and journeyman McGloin's shoulder should be healed.
     
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  23. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    That might make more sense if this thread actually had something to do with philosophy.
     

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