Xelasnave.1947
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Thank you for taking the time but I only wanted one, the best, so I will take your favorite as the best.Here's some of the best photos according to some. There's more, but this is a good start:
Alex
Thank you for taking the time but I only wanted one, the best, so I will take your favorite as the best.Here's some of the best photos according to some. There's more, but this is a good start:
Here's some of the best photos according to some. There's more, but this is a good start:
I remain totally unconvinced MR.
Blurry photos and unexplained phenomena at best.
Have you ever observed in a photo how the wheels of cars seem to be going backwards?
There's a 5m 30s video at this site
http://www.space.com/34541-alien-life-search-possible-seti-signals.html
that answers 4 questions re ETL and the current search with comments by Jill Tarter, Seth Shostak and David Levy, that discusses what I have said many times...such as maybe ETI has visited Earth in the past, maybe we are under serveillance at this time, maybe they are amongst us, but as yet, and despite personally my great desire, as well as those above I mentioned] to dearly want to verify such, as of this time, sadly it just hasn't as yet happened.
If what you say were true, yes it would be sad. But it isn't true. Extraordinary evidence for ETL is out there somewhere: We havn't found it as yet. All we need to do is to find it.It's sad when the self-proclaimed purveyors of science have to twist themselves up into argumentative knots just to deny the evidence that is right before their eyes. Use to be science was all about evidence. But when it comes to ufos, it's suddenly all about 101 ways to deny the evidence. That's tells you something about their so called "science"..
The problem ofcourse is that with virtually every photo of some extraordinary event there is some cult of denialist kooks out there ready to call it a hoax and so make it controversial. Even the moon landing photos have their debunkers. Same with Holocaust pics, 911 pics, and ufo pics. Unbridled skepticism is in some ways worse than unbridled belief. It constantly bolsters itself with claims of being objective and rational, when in fact it isn't at all. It is agenda-laden and biased to support a specific worldview.
It's sad when the self-proclaimed purveyors of science have to twist themselves up into argumentative knots just to deny the evidence that is right before their eyes. Use to be science was all about evidence. But when it comes to ufos, it's suddenly all about 101 ways to deny the evidence. Semantic parlour tricks and rhetorical sophistry and such. That tells you something about their so called "science"..It's more akin to theological apologetics, complete with absolute pseudological maxims like "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." and "Since evidence can be faked it isn't reliable."
As usual, typical false information from you river. Most all, if not all scientists of all pursasions recognise that UFO's have been sighted and that they remain just that: Unidentified.Agreed
The thing is also MR, they are now caught in conumdrum of ; its true but , I have denied the UFO evidence all along , so to admit otherwise , is tough .
As usual, typical false information from you river. Most all, if not all scientists of all pursasions recognise that UFO's have been sighted and that they remain just that: Unidentified.
The problem exists when gullible people who have watched too much X-Files, and have the need of "want to believe", are immediatley inclined to feed their gulliblity, impressionable and consign any unexplained event as Aliens, ghosts, bigfoot, fairies, or some other figment of their vivid imagination.![]()
No, not at all MR, and you are being totally misleading to claim that.Once again, paddoboy's excuse to dismiss this phenomenon--it's unidentified, and that's it. No reason for further research or comparison of thousands of similar cases of witnessing and photographing the same objects.
but don't invoke Aliens. ghosts, goblins, big foot, that yourself and river so quickly do,
I don't invoke aliens. I have no idea where the ufonauts are from. But going by hundreds of eyewitness accounts of humanoid occupants leaving and entering the craft from all over the world, they are very real.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/humanoid.htm
Or perhaps just figments of people's imaginations.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence:No..hundreds of people all over the world--from farmers to policemen to loggers to miners--don't "imagine" metallic craft setting down and beings coming out of them. There's no motive for them to do so nor enough power in imagination to create such a distinctive and lucid scene. And even then the imprints and burnt marks and radiation traces in the soil and on plant life proves it was very real.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc201.htm
http://www.nicap.org/NSID_DBListingbyCat6.pdf
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence:
People sometimes do have confirmation bias, that can lead them to reach unreal conclusions, people do suffer from illusions, the atmospheric disturbances, anomalies can cause weird sightings, people do play tricks on other people, and yes, some are certainly unexplained or unidentified.
But as of yet, we certainly have no extraordinary evidence of any ETL anywhere in the universe, let alone visiting Earth and conducting isolated mayhem.
Sorry, Scientists do not see it as extraordinary, rather unexplained and/or unidentified.Detailed eyewitness accounts by the hundreds of the same sort of objects and physical traces left by the objects ARE extraordinary evidence. There's simply no way of dismissing this mountain of consistent data we have on this phenomenon. And the phenomenon continues to this day.
Sorry, Scientists do not see it as extraordinary, rather unexplained and/or unidentified.
And they arrive at that conclusion for many reasons that I have stated here in the past.
Most scientists do not see it as extraordinary evidence: My apologies.Scientists DO see it as extraordinary and see it as evidence of a real physical phenomenon. See Vallee, Hynek, McDonald, Sturrock, Freidman, Haisch, Mack, Maccabee, Haines, et al.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/NewSite/Papers/UFOQuotes.htm
most scientists do not see it as extraordinary evidence: My apologies.
And as long as "they" keep on flittering in and flittering out again, it will remain so.
And your list of supposed scientists that accept them?Fallacy ad populum--because most believe something, it is therefore true.
Of course they do! and you certainly know what I mean, don't you?They don't just flitter in and out again. I already listed hundreds of cases of them landing in fields and occupants exiting from them. They have been seen by thousands as big as a football field hovering over cities, picked up on radar accelerating at impossible speeds, and have been witnessed by thousands of well-trained pilots flying along side their planes.
I don't deny the evidence: I'm simply saying as I have said many times before [Again you just can't deny the evidence. Unless you are just defending your worldview that they don''t exist. Isn't that what you're doing? Protecting your faithheld belief that flying saucers aren't real no matter what the evidence says?
I am one of those pilots who saw such a UFO. It is not evidence of extraterrestrials.They don't just flitter in and out again in remote places. I already listed hundreds of cases of them landing in fields and occupants exiting from them. They have been seen by thousands as big as a football field hovering over cities, seen by dozens shooting up thru a cloud at Chicago O'Hare airport, picked up on multiple radars accelerating and maneuvering at impossible speeds, and witnessed by thousands of well-trained pilots flying alongside and circling their planes.
Agreed, you cannot deny solid evidence. There is none. No pictures that show a UFO that could not be something else. No bodies of aliens. No alien poop. No materials that cannot be explained by modern technology.Again you just can't deny the solid evidence.