UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Thanks, in a way, for that repeated example of flattery by imitation: http://www.sciforums.com/posts/3678161/
"...When you stooped to the level of juvenile school yard taunts here:..."
That post of mine is over two months old. Tells me you have been doing quite some dredging. Of course it's not intended to be flattery - you hurl the phrase back as an act of mockery. And flaming. Cool.

 

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Do you think it's scarier if alien life exists or doesn't? Would it somehow be ''better'' for us if we're ''alone?'' If we're alone, that would mean no one is ever coming to rescue us (not that we need rescuing...yet.)

 

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How to handle this nice attempt at an ice-breaker? Well, ignoring the truly copious evidence we are 'not alone' in regards to non-human intelligences manifesting in various ways, as per many evidential posts this thread, the sub-topic here is implicitly referring to distant-planet-origin advanced intelligence flesh-and-blood/AI-descendants aliens or their proxies.

In the absence of any real evidence for advanced civilizations on planets orbiting distant stars, it's pure speculation as to their existence. Those that look to e.g. the 'Drake Equation' as presenting anything remotely reliable as to the odds, you're welcome to it. Too many iffy assumptions for my liking.

But supposing classical Sci-Fi notion aliens did arrive tomorrow. Just being able to get here means they would be far in advance of our science and technology. So we would be at their mercy - forget the stupid 'Independence Day' heroic fightback nonsense. Game over before it started. If 'they' are benign well they might just choose to 'lurk' as silent observers as some think is what's been happening. Which however cannot explain the many encounters where lots of bright multi-colored flashing lights were on show. Or a similar huge variety of entertaining/spooking antics. The one valid bit of thinking by 'debunker' crew here is that given the assumption of visitations by benign alien piloted UFOs, why have they not revealed themselves openly by now?

Everyone here knows my preferred position, and it has nothing to do with matter-based aliens/AI piloting nuts-n-bolts matter-based UFO craft.

 

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Think the existence or non existent question is moot

If exist to far way to visit to assist / kill

Degrassi looks at the difference between our genes and our nearest relative and there is a 5% difference

Gets a bit wonky here I think. Imagine a alien with 5% increase (in THEIR equivalent of DNA) to our DNA. Could that even be worked out?

Think a better way to try to figure out a scaled time comparison. Mark out on the time scale when the aliens / us discovered significant science discoveries

With enough discoveries we should be able to see if we are marching in step in the early days (eons) and how long after the end of our discoveries did it take them to get where they are now

Can we shorten the extra years we require to reach their level, by standing on the shoulders of THEIR giants? Will they pass on their knowledge to us?

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Back from the crypt again. And wasting no time to invoke the magic word 'conspiracist' - pitched perfectly to coincide with a certain 20th anniversary. Smart yet stupid at the same time. Does this qualify me for another 20 warning points? Wouldn't shock at all.

 

Been over this a hundred times or more. You and ilk simply label any and all evidence as 'poorly supported'. Pentagon and US Navy spokespersons and many whistleblowers for instance disagree. As you well know.

Go on! On the other hand some recognize such blanket linkage insinuations as basically malicious gutter tactics. Something you repeat here over and over.

You are without any valid excuse on this endlessly repeated bating point:
http://www.sciforums.com/posts/3681534/
http://www.sciforums.com/posts/3670966/
http://www.sciforums.com/posts/3663969/
http://www.sciforums.com/posts/3663907/
http://www.sciforums.com/posts/3659425/
http://www.sciforums.com/posts/3657936/
Rat, snake, weasel, incorrigible liar. Those are the nicest words I can manage to describe you.

 

See my last post.

 

Great points! I think what makes me skeptical of people who claim to have seen alien UFO’s is that aliens would have to go to incredible lengths (at least from our human perspective - but, maybe it’s nothing to “them”) to get here - so, why not at least *try* to communicate with us?

 

Yea, I’d like to believe they exist, because it’s interesting to ponder what’s out there, the mystery of it all, the what-if scenarios...but, like I replied to James - why not communicate with us, already?!

 

Good pont... i mean... why woudnt they be frindly as long as they have the power to overwhelm us an we behave the way they want us to an we are not in the way of some other project they deem necessary

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Assuming you're human, do you only talk to people because you know you can beat them up?

 

No.!!!

 

Glad to hear it.
Well, let's hope there is intelligent life 'out there' that won't mind communicating with us just for purely inquisitive reasons.

 

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As far as complex life goes that is intelligent in an open-ended technological manner... It depends on where they're located and how many instances have arisen. Irrelevant if located in another galaxy, and arguably the same if very distant from us in the Milky Way (unless they've been around for millions of years).

But to have another space traveling civilization nearby would be alarming because it seems too much to attribute to another long streak of accidents and coincidences. Earth has had enough luck in its circa 4.5 billion year history, without extending those fortuitous odds for parsecs beyond the solar system in this rural neighborhood. It would imply that both complex life and open-ended technological intelligence are everywhere, that their probability is astonishingly high even in unlikely environments[1], not extremely rare. And lots of them squirming around would enhance the possibility of one or more being detrimental (eventually). Just having launched a seed probe toward Sol thousands of years ago -- loaded with nanobot builders endowed with no moral programming -- would be unpleasant.

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[1] If there happens to be complex life locally, that would be mildly perturbing (mystery wise), especially if it's on a planet that orbits a volatile red dwarf sun, lacks a protective magnetic field, lacks plate tectonics, lacked rare potential triggers (biological, geological, climatological, etc) in its history and other features. However, the distant, crowded interior of the galaxy is especially dangerous to the development and persistence of complex life due to all the apocalyptic events that can occur more frequently there.

An "average" intelligent species wouldn't be much different from humdrum complex life in terms of getting off its world, because the level of abstract thinking and engineering sophistication needed for advanced technology shouldn't be an inevitability of entry-level sapience (requires various circumstances to inadvertently converge, just as with the emergence of complex life.) However, again, quite unsettling (mystery wise) if that is not the case.