DaveC426913
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You'll forgive us if we take the word of the Director of the AARO org YOU brought our attention over your word, who thinks they came from under the sea, or from a special dimension...
UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?
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Magical Realist
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So what iyo are these objects? You seem to have momentarily distracted yourself from the rather spectacular fact that they are now known to exist.
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DaveC426913
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They could be anything - including image artifacts. So, "known to exist" is a bit of a reach, unless you mean "at the very least, there are pixels on a screen that are unusual". Heck, they could be droplets of moisture on the lens that skittered away in the wind. We don't really know the depth of analysis they've done yet.
So I'll hold off on "spectacular" until they indicate so, but my bar is a set a little higher.
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Magical Realist
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It's called moving the goal posts. But yeah, you just go ahead and believe in "skuttering water drops" or whatever suits you and we'll see what they turn up. For the record, the evidence for ufos at this point is pretty damned compelling.
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DaveC426913
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Are you sure you understand that metaphor correctly?
I didn't say I believe it is. Try to avoid corrupting my words, it weakens your argument.
Ah yes. For the record. Glad you mention that.
For the record, a Google logo is enough to compel you.
Also for the record, the Director of AARO is not compelled.
So your opinion is weighted appropriately.
DaveC426913
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Magical Realist
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I wonder if it detects "skuttering water drops"..
DaveC426913
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Ah yes. Typos - the very acme of shrewd rebuttal.
Lot cheaper UFO detection here
Magical Realist
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The U.S. Navy is pretty good at detecting them too!
Magical Realist
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This is an excerpt from Politico of an article written by one of the pilots witnessing ufos during training exercises off the coast of Virginia in April 2014. The information is highly pertinent to the Navy's (apparent) concern to get to the bottom of what uaps are. We'll see if they actually do.
"We have a REAL UFO problem, and it's not balloons"
Ryan Graves, former Navy pilot, Feb 28, 2023..
"On a clear, sunny day in April 2014, two F/A-18s took off for an air combat training mission off the coast of Virginia. The jets, part of my Navy fighter squadron, climbed to an altitude of 12,000 and steered towards Warning Area W-72, an exclusive block of airspace ten miles east of Virginia Beach. All traffic into the training area goes through a single GPS point at a set altitude — almost like a doorway into a massive room where military jets can operate without running into other aircraft. Just at the moment the two jets crossed the threshold, one of the pilots saw a dark gray cube inside of a clear sphere — motionless against the wind, fixed directly at the entry point. The jets, only 100 feet apart, zipped past the object on either side. The pilots had come so dangerously close to something they couldn’t identify that they terminated the training mission immediately and returned to base.
“I almost hit one of those damn things!” the flight leader, still shaken by the incident, told us shortly after in the pilots’ ready room. We all knew exactly what he meant. “Those damn things” had been plaguing us for the previous eight months.
I joined the U.S. Navy in 2009 and underwent years of rigorous training as a pilot. Specifically, we are trained to be expert observers in identifying aircraft with our sensors and our own eyes. It’s our job to know what’s in our operating area. That’s why, in 2014, after upgrades were made to our radar system, our squadron made a startling discovery: There were unknown objects in our airspace.
And that’s a problem.
Initially, the objects were showing up on our newly upgraded radars and we assumed they were “ghosts in the machine,” or software glitches. But then we began to correlate the radar tracks with multiple surveillance systems, including infrared sensors that detected heat signatures. Then came the hair-raising near misses that required us to take evasive action.
These were no mere balloons. The unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) accelerated at speeds up to Mach 1, the speed of sound. They could hold their position, appearing motionless, despite Category 4 hurricane-force winds of 120 knots. They did not have any visible means of lift, control surfaces or propulsion — in other words nothing that resembled normal aircraft with wings, flaps or engines. And they outlasted our fighter jets, operating continuously throughout the day. I am a formally trained engineer, but the technology they demonstrated defied my understanding.
After that near-miss, we had no choice but to submit a safety report, hoping that something could be done before it was too late. But there was no official acknowledgement of what we experienced and no further mechanism to report the sightings — even as other aircrew flying along the East coast quietly began sharing similar experiences. Our only option was to cancel or move our training, as the UAP continued to maneuver in our vicinity unchecked.
Nearly a decade later we still don’t know what they were....
Advanced objects demonstrating cutting-edge technology that we cannot explain are routinely flying over our military bases or entering restricted airspace.
“UAP events continue to occur in restricted or sensitive airspace, highlighting possible concerns for safety of flight or adversary collection activity,” the Director of National Intelligence reported last month, citing 247 new reports over the last 17 months. “Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernible means of propulsion.”
The Navy has also officially acknowledged 11 near misses with UAP that required evasive action and triggered mandatory safety reports between 2004 and 2021.Advanced UAP also pose a growing safety hazard to commercial airliners. Last May, the Federal Aviation Administration issued an alert after a passenger aircraft flying over West Virginia experienced a rare failure of two major systems while passing underneath what appeared to be a UAP."...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/28/ufo-uap-navy-intelligence-00084537
"We have a REAL UFO problem, and it's not balloons"
Ryan Graves, former Navy pilot, Feb 28, 2023..
"On a clear, sunny day in April 2014, two F/A-18s took off for an air combat training mission off the coast of Virginia. The jets, part of my Navy fighter squadron, climbed to an altitude of 12,000 and steered towards Warning Area W-72, an exclusive block of airspace ten miles east of Virginia Beach. All traffic into the training area goes through a single GPS point at a set altitude — almost like a doorway into a massive room where military jets can operate without running into other aircraft. Just at the moment the two jets crossed the threshold, one of the pilots saw a dark gray cube inside of a clear sphere — motionless against the wind, fixed directly at the entry point. The jets, only 100 feet apart, zipped past the object on either side. The pilots had come so dangerously close to something they couldn’t identify that they terminated the training mission immediately and returned to base.
“I almost hit one of those damn things!” the flight leader, still shaken by the incident, told us shortly after in the pilots’ ready room. We all knew exactly what he meant. “Those damn things” had been plaguing us for the previous eight months.
I joined the U.S. Navy in 2009 and underwent years of rigorous training as a pilot. Specifically, we are trained to be expert observers in identifying aircraft with our sensors and our own eyes. It’s our job to know what’s in our operating area. That’s why, in 2014, after upgrades were made to our radar system, our squadron made a startling discovery: There were unknown objects in our airspace.
And that’s a problem.
Initially, the objects were showing up on our newly upgraded radars and we assumed they were “ghosts in the machine,” or software glitches. But then we began to correlate the radar tracks with multiple surveillance systems, including infrared sensors that detected heat signatures. Then came the hair-raising near misses that required us to take evasive action.
These were no mere balloons. The unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) accelerated at speeds up to Mach 1, the speed of sound. They could hold their position, appearing motionless, despite Category 4 hurricane-force winds of 120 knots. They did not have any visible means of lift, control surfaces or propulsion — in other words nothing that resembled normal aircraft with wings, flaps or engines. And they outlasted our fighter jets, operating continuously throughout the day. I am a formally trained engineer, but the technology they demonstrated defied my understanding.
After that near-miss, we had no choice but to submit a safety report, hoping that something could be done before it was too late. But there was no official acknowledgement of what we experienced and no further mechanism to report the sightings — even as other aircrew flying along the East coast quietly began sharing similar experiences. Our only option was to cancel or move our training, as the UAP continued to maneuver in our vicinity unchecked.
Nearly a decade later we still don’t know what they were....
Advanced objects demonstrating cutting-edge technology that we cannot explain are routinely flying over our military bases or entering restricted airspace.
“UAP events continue to occur in restricted or sensitive airspace, highlighting possible concerns for safety of flight or adversary collection activity,” the Director of National Intelligence reported last month, citing 247 new reports over the last 17 months. “Some UAP appeared to remain stationary in winds aloft, move against the wind, maneuver abruptly, or move at considerable speed, without discernible means of propulsion.”
The Navy has also officially acknowledged 11 near misses with UAP that required evasive action and triggered mandatory safety reports between 2004 and 2021.Advanced UAP also pose a growing safety hazard to commercial airliners. Last May, the Federal Aviation Administration issued an alert after a passenger aircraft flying over West Virginia experienced a rare failure of two major systems while passing underneath what appeared to be a UAP."...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/02/28/ufo-uap-navy-intelligence-00084537
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Magical Realist
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A convenient compilation of information we have on UAPs as to their behavior and appearance as stated by prominent govt and intelligence officials , military personnel, official government reports, and credible eyewitnesses:
https://www.uap.guide/
https://www.uap.guide/
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Magical Realist
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Did not read about any chrystal sharp photos
Are there any please?
Any photos or videos are probably classified. We'll see if any are released as the investigation continues.
Wow. High tech metal spheres! Who'd have thunk it?
Magical Realist
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High tech metallic spheres that can hover stationary in midair and can fly at 30000 feet at Mach 1 without any wings, control surfaces, or thermal exhaust.
DaveC426913
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Woah. You are conflating a number of incidents there.
The AARO suggested they were categorizing many different sightings under a few labels (such as size and altitude) but that falls far short of saying they are the same thing.
You will have a tough time showing any footage with a particular object doing all (or even many) of the things you attribute to them.
For example, the video you posted that triggered this shows what appears to be an object that:
- is not identifiable as metallic - sure it is high-contrast - but we know the contrast has been dramatically enhanced in that footage; it could simply be a bright colour,
- certainly does not hover,
- is certainly not flying at 30,000 feet,
- is certainly not moving at Mach 1,
- belies no way to determine if it is emitting any thermal signature or not.
- finally, it shows no overt evidence of high-techness beyond the other things you attribute to it - (IOW, it's not high-tech unless the other times check out, and - as just itemized - they don't). There is nothing high-tech in that video.
In fact, the only labels that can be confidently applied to the object in that video are:
- it's round,
- it's moving.
It could very well be
- a bog-standard drone with a cut-in-half-volleyball, spray-painted, and taped over top of it
- a balloon in a fast wind
(And because you will surely take that bait: I am not suggesting it is either of those things - what I am saying is you can't rule either of them out based on that video).
What's happening here is a common manipulative ploy: to conglomerate a bunch of disparate incidents into one description, as if one thing is doing all things described. That is deceptive, partly the fault of the author of the news article, but also the fault of you for further blending and mixing the facts to sensationalize the events. It is the polar opposite of analysis.
It will take a lot better than that to convince anyone reading this thread, whether now or in-perpetuity.
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Magical Realist
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The director of the AARO concludes that these are all characteristics of the metallic spheres:
“What we have done is reduce the most typically reported UAP characteristics to these fields, mostly around 1 to 4 meters wide,” said Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of AARO, who appeared in front of a subcommittee of the Senate Armed Services Committee, describing how UAPs mostly appear. “Silver. Translucent. Metallic. 10,000 to 30,000 feet [in the air] with apparent velocities from the stationary to mach to no thermal exhausts usually detected...
...Apparently, there had been other similar encounters with the same UAP.
“UAP characteristic and behavior consistent with other "metallic orb" observations in the region,” said the AARO slide accompanying the video shown at committee."
I'm completely satisfied with that description as constituting typical observed qualities of the same uaps, cut in half and taped soccer balls notwithstanding.
“What we have done is reduce the most typically reported UAP characteristics to these fields, mostly around 1 to 4 meters wide,” said Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of AARO, who appeared in front of a subcommittee of the Senate Armed Services Committee, describing how UAPs mostly appear. “Silver. Translucent. Metallic. 10,000 to 30,000 feet [in the air] with apparent velocities from the stationary to mach to no thermal exhausts usually detected...
...Apparently, there had been other similar encounters with the same UAP.
“UAP characteristic and behavior consistent with other "metallic orb" observations in the region,” said the AARO slide accompanying the video shown at committee."
I'm completely satisfied with that description as constituting typical observed qualities of the same uaps, cut in half and taped soccer balls notwithstanding.
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