United airlines

Discussion in 'World Events' started by birch, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    That is shocking.
    Would resisting helped?
    Alex
     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Did not resisting help?
     
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  5. birch Valued Senior Member

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    lmao. what "safety" issue was at stake?? he paid for his ticket and didn't want to deplane because it wasn't fair. again, what safety issue was there?

    since united has revised their policy, i don't recall them saying it involved safety issues.

    is there something wrong with you and those who concur? since it's way more complex, that's why people pay "way" more for plane tickets and that's why they make billions per year. and yes, of course, customers are supposed to get customer love and experience from airlines. that's their business. once you pay, you are entitled to what you pay for and that's not undue entitlement. is this hard to wrap your mind around? again, you act like they are running on steam and doing favors for free for passengers. get a grip on reality.

    you are conflating and obfuscating.
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Probably he saved himself from getting shot.
    What scumbags.
    How could you be so cruel to another human or even an animal.
    I could not bring myself to watch it all the way thru.
    Please tell me those less than human cops were punished.
    They should go to jail and lose their homes in damages.
    I wonder how they treat their kids, their wife...
    I really think your country needs a wall to keep people in.
    Alex
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    You should be able to, in a case like this. If you can't, there's a problem - there are a couple of problems, more like.

    Because it's not just a problem of a couple of uniforms enacting an entitlement that shouldn't belong to them if it does. There's a deeper issue: if they overreact and screw up like that handling something of so little actual import or urgency, if they are that close to the limits of their abilities when confronted with the task of removing one unarmed and elderly Chinese man from his seat in an airplane, what are they going to do if they ever have to handle real trouble? Like two elderly men, or heaven forbid a young and strong person who's actually violent?

    I'm wondering whether airline security forces who can't get a 60 year old Chinese doctor out of an airline seat without breaking his teeth and nose and giving him a concussion are providing much in the way of security otherwise.
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Fire a couple of warning shots into his legs.
    Alex
     
  10. birch Valued Senior Member

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    what this incident revealed was how the airline was abusing a sense of entitlement. how looming and dangerous flying is, so that airlines are given more unquestioning status in the business world by the likes of some people who have expressed such sentiments. that is true as only those who run the airlines will know of the gravity of some of the decisions they have to make in some dire situations or avoid them which result in serious injury, life or death unlike buying a head of slightly brown lettuce at safeway. lmao.

    But that doesn't mean citizens should have to give unquestioning level of power to airlines just because they are in charge of flying people around. this situation was more about profit margins and being able to treat passengers poorly because of that unquestioned entitlement. their policy reflects that: money. if it's their mistake, they should have to pay for it, not bump passengers willy-nilly. that's really stupid customer service where your employees take precedence over customers. it's like taking a plate of food from your customer because your employee needs to eat lunch. lmao.

    i can bet a dollar to a donut, united had some crop planes nearby or could have leased them easily to fly their employees.

    it boils down to just poor customer service policy.
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    In a crowded airplane ready for takeoff?
     
  12. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Close range small cal would be perfect and best of all he would be happy to get off the plane and go to hospital.

    There must be instances in the past where a difficult customer had to be dealt with using force and as observed the ability of the guys dealing with the doctor would seem lacking.

    Once, and security was not my profession, I could grab another's finger and they would submit and you would think if involved in security you would have a few of those tricks.

    However it should never have happened.

    If they needed to move staff those folk should be on board before any passengers get on...much easier to deny access than asking someone to get out of a seat.

    However tis an ill wind that does not blow some good, the policy has been changed, lawyers get work, and folk like us get a new thread.

    Alex
     
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  13. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I understand the bullets used by Sky Marshalls are of a special type which disintegrate in the body to PREVENT through and though followed by through and though the aircraft

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  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    yes, of course. he says these things when he forgets he's talking out of character revealing a cruel or perverse side. y'know, his fake overly nice persona.
     
  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I am truly flattered to hear you say I have an overly nice persona.

    I know I am not fake, but can understand having followed your sad experiences with people in general, why you would consider me to be fake.

    That's OK I think given the things you have had to put up with it is best you be suspicious of everybody.

    And as you have worked out already it is often those who seem the nice ones that can be not so nice.

    I did not think for one moment I would have to add a poe alert to my post re firing warning shots into a young mans legs but it was my attempt at humour.

    I thought it was satire.

    I guess your culture is so violent a suggestion such as mine may not seem out of place and perhaps there would be those who took me seriously and those who even thought that it was a good idea.

    I stole the idea from a comedy act years ago which I think was about how an American cop dealt with a jay walker.

    It seems so silly and outrageous such that it was funny but looking at your cop shows that joke may have been close to the truth.


    However I really don't like violence at all and see no need for it.

    You could have a point but I am really the opposite of cruel.

    I won't even kill a mozzie, I catch it and let it go outside.
    If ants invade the house I won't spray them I just clean all scrapes so eventually they will leave.

    If you are going to be kind you don't include some creatures and exclude others.

    You may think I am corny but I believe all life should be respected and preserved.

    Be kind to yourself.

    Alex
     
  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    It would not surprise me.

    I suppose they developed that because of the terrorism problems.

    I wonder how they do things on other planets?

    Alex
     
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  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry about that - you got me. I wasn't alert. Been hitting a bad groove, overall, in the neighborhood.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure what you're saying here. Police are not entitled to uphold the law?
    They literally are.

    They didn't overreact. They used the minimum force required.
    He chose to resist. They still used the minimum force required.
    He got injured when he lost his grip.

    This is a red herring.

    Their goal is to contain him and remove him to custody. They did so. They used the minimum force required. He lost his grip when resisting and got injured.
    That will happen when you resist arrest.


    Tell me how they could have removed him without injury while he is resisting.

    And I'm wondering how effective a police force would be if it said 'we are unable to remove a 60 year old man from an airplane because he holding on to something.'

    I guess the police would just give up and go home, and the airplane would rust on the runway?


    Tell me how they could have removed him without injury while he is resisting.
     
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    My fault because I should have realised earlier.

    I thought you were playing the straight man when you commented hence the small bore and happy to go to hospital thing.

    I have an unfortunate sence of humour in that I see many things as funny in very serious situations.


    Alex
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not like that, no.
    Pretty embarrassing. But apparently that was the situation.
    That would have been a better choice than they made. But not the only better choice.
    Bar bouncers do it routinely, even occasionally dealing with young, strong, and violent drunks. Usually they just talk the guy down and out - takes a few extra minutes, saves a lot of trouble. When they do use force, they take care not to injure - at least in the high class places.

    But I guess bar bouncers are professionals, often with training in the law as well as basic first aid and some rudimentary martial arts - many know, for example, that a semiconscious person bleeding from the head and with facial injuries should not be moved until they have been evaluated by a doctor. So obviously they are better prepared and more capable than the Chicago Aviation security employees. Those poor guys were thrown into a situation they clearly had no idea how to handle.
     
  22. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Your approach is no different from dsdsds.

    So the doctor (passenger) was unreasonable man, because he refused to volunteer.

    But UA guys and those security fellows were epitome of reasonableness, thrashing an unarmed 60+ absolutely harmless passenger.

    [Thank God you keep yourself busy in reporting my posts. I hope you are not into some kind of public dealing employment.]
     
  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder how long it would have taken to get another flight.

    Would such flight have either side miss their next job.

    Alex
     

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