vector function question

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by tempusme, Oct 30, 2003.

  1. tempusme Registered Senior Member

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    I've been stumped on this all day, so hopefully someone can help me.

    I have two vector functions r1(t) and r2(t).

    r1(t)=< t,t^2,t^3 >
    r2(t)=< 1+2t,1+6t, 1+14t >

    How do i tell if the paths intersect - not collide. For the record, they don't collide, but I need proof that they don't intersect (which I'm pretty sure they don't?).
     
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  3. Tom2 Registered Senior Member

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    What's the difference between intersection and collision?

    Anyway, if there is some t for which:

    r<sub>1</sub>(t)=r<sub>2</sub>(t)

    then the two intersect.

    So, set the components of each vector equal to each other and solve for t. If you find a t for which the two vectors are equal (in each component), then you have proved that they intersect.
     
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  5. lethe Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Re: vector function question

    if the two objects meet at the same time, then they collide. your solution, tom, will find these collisions. i think what tempus means by intersect, is the intersection of the trajectories. your solution will not find these.
     
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  7. tempusme Registered Senior Member

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    i found it. and yes, i wanted path intersections - not collisions.

    the answer is 2 points. r1(2)=r2(1/2), which is (2,4,8), and r1(1)=r2(0), which is (1,1,1).
     
  8. HallsofIvy Registered Senior Member

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    To find where (if) the trajectories intersect, treat the two parameters as distinct variables.

    Solve <t, t<sup>2</sup>, t<sup>3</sup>>= <1+ 2s, 1+6s, 1+ 14s>
    which is the same as the three equations:
    t= 1+ 2s t<sup>2</sup>= 1+ 6s t<sup>3</sup>= 1+ 14s

    That is three equations in 2 unknowns. In general, two arbitrary one-dimensional trajectories in three dimensions do NOT intersect.

    From the first equation, 2s= t-1 so s= (t-1)/2. Put that into the second equation to get t<sup>2</sup>- 6(t-1)/2- 1= 0 or
    t<sup>2</sup>- 3t+ 2= (t-1)(t-2)= 0. There are two solutions for t: t= 1, in which case s= (1-1)/2= 0, and t= 2, in which case
    s= (2-1)/2= 1/2.

    When t= 1, the object in the first trajectory is at
    <1, 1, 1> and when s= 0, the object in the second trajectory <1, 1, 1> so <1,1,1> is on both trajectories.

    When t= 2, the object in the first trajectory is at <2, 4, 8> and when s= 1/2, the object in the second trajectory is at <2, 4, 8>
    so <2, 4, 8> is on both trajectories.

    Yes, the trajectories intersect!
     
  9. tempusme Registered Senior Member

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    that's exactly how i solved it

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