Was there a beginning?

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe it has always been around
    Doubt life would be possible without atoms
    How do you know that life began
    We currently have a lot of it around at the moment
    Is your life finite or infinite
    I'll go with finite

    Thought Big Bang was out of fashion now (I understand it was a throw away line but caught on)
    Terminology has moved to Rapid Expansion
    Which I think would fit more with neutrons forming from nothing
    When enough remained present, instead of winking out you, have your big hot dense ball
    Add that tiny mint extra
    Vola Rapid Expanding (in this case) Man
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    I put Rapid Expanding Dinner here but video cut out before expansion happened

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    Our case Proto energy which when cooling formed building blocks of the Universe

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    How did life begin ? As an extremely small living form , Alge . Photosynthesis And life forms from deep within the crust of the Earth . Hence the animal ( deep crust biological forms that use mineral energy , chemical energy as their energy source , taking energy from minerals to power themselves ) , and photosynthesis , plant life . Both combine to produce life forms that are both animal and plant .
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Photosynthesis evolved about 3.4 million years ago.
    Algae did not evolve until a mere billion years ago.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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  8. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    My curently view :

    Yes there was a beginning.
    It was created by some creature of some other dimension, we call him/she/it/etc, God.
    Yes God has always existed because in his dimension time do not exist.
    It can end but all depends on the will of the creator.
    It is finite in space but infinite in time.
    Life began when the creator wanted to have something more perfect than his angels.

    But your answer is also right.
    You are speaking from the inside of the univers, so yes, the universe "has always existed" (with no universe it is nonsens to talk about the universe...)
    "There was no beginning", because of course there was nobody to observe this beginning (the creator is not "somebody).
    "It is infinite" (in space), sure, because there can not be any observer that can attein any limit.
    "It is eternal" because nobody will ever see the end of this universe, so yes it could stay forever there, motionless, after "the use" of the universe (when nobody care anymore about the universe).
     
  9. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Thats the first step a thinker should make.

    https://philosophy-question.com/lib...sophy-is-considered-the-mother-of-all-science

    Before you can answer with hard science (quantification etc) you have to decide what is rational and what is not.
    Philosophy is the first step.
    Our actual science is based on the work of centuries of philosopher who stated was is obvious and was is not (no IA will never be able to do this) and on the possibilies they could be wrong (and so permit to evolve).
    If you only rely on what is right at some era, you stay stucked with your false believes.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That's just kicking the can down the road.

    If it was created by something else, then it wasn't the beginning.
    What was the beginning of the creature?

    Then God is a product of the dimension in which he lives.
    So how was he created and how did that dimension begin?
     
  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I prefer physics, but if you wish to
    anthropomorphise physics go ahead it counts for nothing in speculations or calculations

    The rest of the post is ? ,<---- lost for a definition

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  12. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    I already answered this question.
    Time doesent exists in the selfcreated dimension of "the creature/creator" (he creates himself "because" he is the one who is)
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Shadow of Jan has surfaced

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  14. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Not sure what you mean, but if you are clever, you will understand that this is the only possibility.
    If you deny this fundamental attribution of The Creator (To be the one (and only one...) who is) you are jaleous of him.
    And the creator is jaleous too... and can not accept a second one who is "the one who is" (I AM THAT I AM).
     
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  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Jan was a member of the SciForum and his mantra was "god is"

    But why anthropomorphise physics??? Physics does all what you attribute god as having done except physics is not sentinent

    Where in the book How to Create a Universe does it indicate first obtain a god?

    Calling physics god plus giving this god a personality with no evidence as backup is plain silly

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  16. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    He was rigth, there is no rational possibility to think differently.
    God is.
    He is the eternal (said differently).

    You think you dont do it.
    The only difference is that you consider that "the nature" did what "the creator" did.
    At some level you believe "nature" is " the creator" so you believe in a false god.

    Again.
    You dont need to consider this question if you understant that "God is".
    Look : It is like the mathematical theory that say that within a complex system there is ONE invariant (Emily Noether) or the theory that says roughly that
    there is always one assumption that cant be prooved (Goedel) and Church's...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_incompleteness_theorems
     
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  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Really? I am jealous of a god? You do have some strange ideas!!!!!!

    Seriously? god? jealous? Bad enough believing in invisible god in the clouds without also lumbering your fantasy with human attributes

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    It is just fact, but you are not aware of it.

    I just explained you what "jaleous" mean.
    You can not say : It is "nature" or it is "baal" or it is etc, you only need to accept that "God is" (the invariant, eternal, unproovable (invisible...)) and all become clear.
    If it is "nature" who created "nature" ?
    If it is "baal", who created "baal" ?
    If it is "etc", who created "etc" ?

    No, you understand that "God is" and he is also autocreated (because he is... this is looped logic)
    Very simple to understand in my opinion.
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    You appear to know a lot about me???

    Physics "is" if you wish. Physics is the label given to the processes of how things work

    Nature is the label given the the interaction between life forms other than ourselves. Which is strange because we as a life form should be included but the claim is "we are different"

    We are not different, but that's the claim

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  20. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Looks like.

    No....
    Physics "is nothing" but a way to think the real as observed by humans and it represent what they understand in a usefull way of the world.
    Physic do not exists without humans.
    Physic, like baal or the nature has not created the world, they are the product of the human imagination.

    No, nature is some metaphysical concept, not restricted to life forms, it is related to matter.
    The "laws of physic" are inherited from the assumption that there exists some "law of nature".
     
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  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I am not aware of it OK? but you are?? The world you live in makes Alice's world look dull

    Well I don't accept and it appears yous has accepted the unproovable

    Good for yous

    Physics created the Universe. Physics is not a thing in existence, physics is a PROCESS and scientists watch photons display this process, popping in and out of existence from nothing, all the time

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  22. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Ok then, your "false god" is called "physic".
     
  23. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Every modern mathematician has actually accepted this fact.
    In a coherent system, you have ALWAYS something that rermains not proovable.
    And applying this to cosmogony seems silly for you ?
     

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