What are your thoughts on internet bullying?

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  1. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    I think this video shows the physical/mental scars of bullying, and hopefully the final outcome of a bully scenario.

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  3. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

    I've not seen where the thread is specific to children. The definition requires no age:
    - Smith, Peter K.; Mahdavi, Jess; Carvalho, Manuel; Fisher, Sonja; Russell, Shanette; Tippett, Neil (2008). "Cyberbullying: its nature and impact in secondary school pupils". The Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry.

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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    an adult who is to be held legally liable for their own actions does not just wake up one day and become an internet bully.

    should groups of 10 year old children be jailed for internet bullying an adult who then trys to commit suicide because of it ?

    fact is the real moral and legal debate is far more complex than most want to think about.

    thats ok , i accept not everyone is capable of being an emergency services person
    not everyone is capable of saving lives
    etc etc...
    thats the case for most people
    but just because you think you have an opinion doesn't mean you understand the situation, its complexity & real life causes and implications.

    what court is going to try a 12 year old as an adult for the death of a 50 year old who committed suicide because the 12 year old bullied the 50 year old on the internet until they committed suicide ?

    think about the reality of that and then think again about your comments about does this subject include or exclude children.

    your speaking from a phobia or brainwashing conditioned position.

    i know that !
    i didnt throw it in your face.
    i asked you questions
    questions that you have stalled intellectually on.

    easy to throw your hands up, claim your Ego has been hurt and blame it all on a person, like me or something else.
    that wont solve the issue.
    not all are psychologically capable to discus the subject
    not all are emotionally and psychologically safe from self harm to discus the subject.
    i know that.
    many lie and claim that's not the case for themselves them dump all their emotional garbage into the discussion via blame of some person...
    seen it happen over and over again.
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  7. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

    to whom are you directing your post towards?
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    the readers(consider it a blog post on topic as an opinion for anyone to offer thoughts opinions or solutions about[in regard to])
    (you will notice i did not add any reply to you because i did not want you to think i was making any assertions toward you).

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    bullying in general is such an all encompassing subject that has roots in culture & the human psyche it is not a simply push or pull type scenario.
    i wanted to illustrate the complexity of it where many may wish to simply brush it off as some type of simple choice to be an abuser or a non abuser.

    the hapless parent can create a bully in their own child equally as the absent parent may.
    equally the school that allows bullying to carry on
    equally the victim who does not seek violent severe revenge(paradigms of ideologies)

    a bully in one culture is a normal person in another
    a parent must prove they are capable of bullying a child to maintain some type of lesson, safe practice or overt sense of righteous power morality.

    example that should be easily recognizable to most western secular people.
    group of young kids get pushed into a forced social situation... say school or such like
    forced compliance by the group(of children) to adhere to interactive human normalcy (all be it subjective) is a nature issue(it is a critical component of human interactive socialization communication& interaction).
    reluctance to adhere to the rules makes the child subject to punishment by the group(of children).
    [i have observed this many times in many different forms over many different age groups]
    this happens constantly.
    anyone who observes animal group behaviors may see this in variant degrees.
    the more extreme being male dolphins raping another male dolphin as punishment for having sex with a female dolphin that was mated to another dolphin.
    some animals will draw blood
    some will kill or wound intently
    some will act in an obviously neglectful manner to oust the animal from the inner circle
    etc etc...
    humans are no different, they are just more complex
    and you dont solve a more complex problem by hitting it harder with a hammer.
    more soo when the hammer didn't fix it in the first place.
    the hammer just mitigated the interactive severity of occurrence
    but the complexity of frequency goes up
    thus in internet contact
    higher intellect
    more ocd
    more adhd etc etc etc...

    but then how do you solve alt-right bully social behavior ideologies in a global environment that is endorsing alt-right-ism/hyper nationalism

    i see it from a psychological anthropological position or preservation of the nature of complexity.
    if you turn all the people into obedient slaves to solve bullying... whats the point !(rhetorical discussion point)
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  9. pluto2 Valued Senior Member

    The Internet has both its good things and bad things, just like almost everything in life.

    However you must admit that in recent years the Internet has become a breeding ground for bullies and other angry (and sometimes even violent) people, including Islamic terrorists like people from Iran, Pakistan, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt.

    Several children have already committed suicide because they have experienced severe bullying and violent anger coming from people on the Internet.
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  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    It isn't a breeding ground; it's a soapbox.
    The internet doesn't make bullies; it simply broadcasts their voices to a wider audience.
  11. Benson Registered Senior Member

    A bully can only bully if the other person is weaker.

    I grew up before the internet days so I find internet bullying a strange concept because, if you feel bullied on say Facebook, quit Facebook.

    So I'm from the days where you met others. Any that tried to bully me was soon nursing a black eye, that stopped their attempt. People are cowards and hide behind a keyboard bullying. Anyone daft enough to stay there taking it is their problem.
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  12. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

    My thoughts on internet bullying.

    "Humans are garbage"

    That says it all, about what i think about how they are to others. Given up on them long time ago, and glad.

    You have to accept humans are garbage, and if you do, you know, not to expect much from them, then what they are, garbage.
  13. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

    as much as I agree with this, and I am the same way, this doesn't always work very well in the world. With the US populace being litigious, it may cost you in the long run.

    There are state laws that may well promote arresting those who retaliate in such a manner (my state doesn't have these laws). A LEO may well just assume that because mr/mrs/ms/etc bully has the black eye that you are the aggressor and arrest you (depending on the evidence, mind). There are a considerable number of ways this can go south quickly, depending on location, and unless you have a bodycam that records events justifying your response, you're sh*t out of luck.
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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Well, that's not really true.
    A bully can bully a person who does not wish to shove back. A lot of people just want to be left in peace, and prefer not to have their defenses up all the time. That's not weakness.
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    Only, that's not really a viable option if all of your friends are on Facebook and you're going to miss out on the social circle if you quit it. Besides, the bully might still post about you on your friends' pages etc., and now you've quit you won't even know what's being said about you, except second-hand.

    Also, why should you quit Facebook because some bully decides to hassle you there? Shouldn't the bully be the one who leaves? He's the instigator of the problem.
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  16. Benson Registered Senior Member

    If they were your friends, you would have a friendship and social circle outside of Facebook. Why live your life in Facebook?

    If someone posts about you on Facebook or wherever, who's bothered? We have defamation laws in the UK, use them if you're concerned.

    Why should you quit Facebook? To lead a better life! Even psychologists tell you why social media is bad for you. No wonder mental illnesses are increasing. I dabble on the odd forum and read the news etc.. I'm not on Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Twitter and all that crap. My friends and work colleagues have my number so either text or ring me. I don't feel the need to check in how many likes I got or didn't get and why bla bla didn't like mine etc.. and end up with anxiety.
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  17. Benson Registered Senior Member

    Then what is it?

    I remember playing a table top computer game in the pub. A guy in the drinking group thought he could rub the pool chalk on my cheek without doing anything because I'm unlikely to leave the game. Wrong, I stood up and punched him in the chest that hard, he went flying.

    From that day on, he was as spot on with me. Unfortunately, others still suffered the chalk problem. If you don't set the boundaries from day one, that's your problem.
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    1] Your scenario involves someone actually putting their hands upon you. That's only the most egregious form of bullying. There is plenty of range in bullying that would not warrant such a response.

    2] You are OK with punching someone out as a solution to a problem. For some, initiating violence is about the worst character flaw possible - the weakest response, character-wise. Certainly worse than turning the other cheek.
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

    And if he had jumped back up and stuck a knife in your chest that would have been justifiable. He'd come out the hero, putting down a violent drunk before he hurt anyone else.
  20. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

    this doesn't always work IRL either.

    for starters, there is the problem of the prosecution of internet bullying (especially defamation), specifically, as the location has a considerable impact on who can prosecute what. If the bullying is between nations (or even states in the US) then there may well not be recourse by law. This is also true of the UK Commonwealth nations.

    then there is the evidence, especially the fault and damages.

    Depending on location, there are a considerable number of defences against litigation for defamation.

    It's not about likes, it's about communication.
    For some people, myself included, the only means of contact for certain people in their life is with farcebook.
    not everyone has the same attitude. what would you do if that person decided to make it his life purpose to kill you and your loved ones because you publicly humiliated them?
    nowadays, a public humiliation such as the above would justify a range of actions, as @DaveC426913 notes.
    Legally, depending on your location, you could have been charged with anything up to assault and battery, depending. escalation of force requires justification and the legal system doesn't always allow for you to escalate to physical violence just because of a minor infraction or insult such as brushing chalk on a cheek, even if there is physical contact. in certain jurisdictions, unless you can show a personal history of necessitated violent reaction due to need, such as combat duties, then you would be charged and the other would likely only get a minor infraction for instigation or a similar incitement charge, and likely even if you did show said history you would still face possible charges, though you would have the argument of mitigating circumstances, though this also wouldn't be justification for the escalation.

    it's a different world than it was 40 years ago when folk could have a scrap and be done with it...
  21. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    What did any of your nonsense have to do with internet bullying?
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    like rigging advertising to swing a general election of a country ?
    you mean like wiki leaks ?

    just a darn good telling off and a punch in the face should sort it all out yes ?(scrap theory?)

    what i see is a trend of attempted culture to declare those with power have no accountability for their actions
    the solution to this is not abandoning laws & Regulations

    an adult in the shop or shop keeper slapping the shop lifting child a few times to teach them a lesson ?

    walking into a high end restaurant and giving a CEO a darn good punch in the face for allowing his company to pollute and poison dozens of children ?

    scrap theory ?

    underneath it is your(?) [scrap theory?]/peoples concept of desired revenge worded as "justice" then sold off as a slave to the rich elite whom are above the law via fiscal & influence of manipulation of laws & regulations.

    underneath it while along side it is accountability for equality of law to the human
    womens rights
    LGBTQ+ rights
    rights to quiet enjoyment

    The desire to wish to simplify it, though very human and very normal, is not always the answer
    weapons(armament) races between nations is a good example

    a human god example is the guy who supposedly made false claims if racial attack
    notice the right do not declare to leave him alone because he has humiliated himself and thats punishment enough.
    they want to spend millions of tax payer dollars making legal court cases and prosecutions playing the opposite of 'scrap theory' while they supposedly support 'scrap theory' for sexual sexist psychological abuse.

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  23. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

    Let me bring it down a few levels. What would you think if you witnessed a user on these forums bullying another user for example? No social study, what is your initial reaction? Mine is anger.
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