What does God want?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    God does not want anything as he has everything.
     
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  3. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Which then moves on to the question, what is the course of action for a personality who is completely independent and has no personal agenda that is required to be fulfilled by others ...
     
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  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    On his part it would be anonymity and on our part...we shouldn't have even heard of him which therefore suggests that he is man made.
     
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  7. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So selfishness is the inescapable position of acquisition? Absolute acquisition = absolute selfishness?
     
  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    If you have everything, you need nothing. That sounds more like selflessness to me.
     
  9. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I agtee. That is why it seems strange to throw anonymity or absolute retreat into the picture.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    If that were true, that god wants nothing, why is he here? Why did he create us? Or create anything?
    If he wants nothing, why would he interact with us, rather than ignore us?
     
  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    It was more that God is completely independent. . how that automatically defaults to anonymity/selfishness is kind of puzzling.

    As to purposes, that is admittedly difficult to fathom if all you examine are those that get it wrong. Even though a president is technically in charge of all the prisons and jails of their nation, even the most dictatoral of examples tends to being much more to the table.
     
  12. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    If he has everything and is selfless, why make himself known?
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I am actually not sure how any of this addresses my question(s).
     
  14. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    So being "outgoing" in any sense only serves the purpose of acquisition?
     
  15. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I am not sure how saying God has no needs establishes a broader picture to also include no interests and no concerns. It all sounds rather teptillian.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Can you explain the kind of intelligence God employs which makes it possible to exert any type of control over the physical world?
     
  17. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Qualitatively, it bears similarity to the manner you exert control your body. I say "bear similarity" because even the control we have over our own bodies is conditional. Unconditional control of something is not something we can claim experience of, although the closest we get to such an experience is with our own bodies.
     
  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I'd go with invisible fuzzy logic the new Intel chipset put in Fred Flintstone car

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Actually we have no conscious control over our internal bodily functions at all. This purely subconscious control mechanism only regulates the function of our organs which can be demonstrated when we are under anesthesia and unconscious. Our brain still controls our life support system. It is called interoception and warns us only when something goes wrong. But we cannot visualize the internal organs at all, except from pictures and illustrations.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/anil_seth_how_your_brain_hallucinates_your_conscious_reality

    But the problem I have with any comparison to God possessing a sentient brain lies in the absence of the physical structure which does the processing of information. If God is a spiritual being, how can it think without having a physical brain?

    Even if we assume that the physical universe is capable of processing information via, say quantum mechanics, how would that be possible before the physical universe was created?
     
  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    From jewish & christian scripture, god wants 100% eternal obedience despite knowing humans are incapable of that.

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  21. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I never suggested we did. I suggested one's own body as the best available experience to bridge a gap that is simply untenable for us. The fact that even this doesn't hold as a metaphor illustrates the completeness of our conditioned existence.

    Traditionally the relationship of contingency between God and matter is viewed the other way around. This version of a "fumbling" God thrust into a world that requires Him to constantly exert Himself to maintain the status quo against impossible odds seems more an extrapolation of our own situation.
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    We're tired of talking about the atheist understanding of God. Although it can be amusing, it loses its edge when we realise your serious. Try upping the game a bit.

    Another silly thread, featuring the atheist god. I'll leave you all to get on with it.

    Jan.
     
  23. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry I didn't realise Musika was participating. It now has the potential to be a good thread.

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