What is the difference between a vaccine using RNA vs DNA?

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  1. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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  3. Bells Staff Member

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    It would help if you read your own link..
     
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    Did you read your previous link - https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/can-vaccines-make-our-body-magnetic ...?

    When a very smooth object, such as cutlery, is applied to very smooth skin, Van der Waals forces can “bond” it to the body, especially if there is a bit of oil or moisture present since both of these can engage in Van der Waals bonding. Impressive, as long as the “magnetic” people do not bend forward too much allowing gravity to take over and ruin the fun.

    That's why in the now infamous video that was doing the rounds of the lunatic trying to stick stuff to her neck was so hilarious. She was sticking stuff to the crook of her neck, where he skin wasn't flat and it just kept falling. But if she stuck it to her upper chest, where her skin was smooth and probably sweaty, it stuck.

    It's not magnetic.

    The author of the article you linked even did a demonstration.. With plastic:

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    Do you think he's magnetic?

    You can also do it with coins. Does not mean you are magnetic. Just means your skin is a tad moist and thus, will adhere to anything stuck to it if it is smooth.
     
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    Thanks.However this Van der Waals bonding equally apply to all substances i.e. to iron metal also? Moisture/sweat c was taken care in few cases by taking bath. Moreover it did not happened to me or to other non-vaccinated or older vaccinated people(as indicative. Anyway, scientists are actively checking it. Let us see, what come.
     
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    Yes.

    Take a coin and press it to your forehead. It will stick. Sometimes for a couple of seconds, sometimes for longer.

    Your skin will always have some natural oils to it.. Usually within a few minutes after a shower or bath.

    My god.. Are you serious?

    It's called adhesion. Happens all the time. And it can be done with anything that is lightweight enough:



    That video is probably over 20 years old.

    If the vaccine turned people into magnets, you'd know about it, because they would be adhering to their own cars and bathroom fixtures, whatever they were sticking to their skin would not fall off but would have to be pulled off with some force.

    Get back to me when someone has their face have adhered to their bathroom mirror because the COVID vaccine has turned them into a human magnet..

    Until then, cease and desist with the absolutely ridiculous and stupid anti-vaxxer crap.
     
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    Yes, coins are sticking on my forehead. But what about spoon?
     
  11. Bells Staff Member

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    They usually adhere better to the nose.

    Don't ask me how I know this as it will involve recounting hours of making my kids laugh to the point of farting without control when they were little..
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Don't tell farcical lies.

    Scientists are not checking this imbecile claim. So there is nothing to wait for. Get vaccinated, you numskull, before you or someone close to you gets put in hospital as a result of your deviousness and stupidity.
     
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    There was lot of viral news in India about it along with photos. Then I read competent authorizes told to check it
    from competent people. About vaccination, most have to move with the global competent advice which in majority is in favor of vaccination...may its basis was emergency approval. Accordingly, myself and few of my family members already taken vaccines to go with the prevailing atmosphere. Let us see how it will land ultimately.As of now, its whole things could not yet be understood/determined. So nothing Anti-vax from my side but due to such tendencies, I want to better understand these considering it my need, right and duty.
     
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    A backlash is building momentum here in Canada.....
    that has more to do with the attempt to crush honest dissent and differences of opinion......

    The way that this pandemic has been handled is termed "unCanadian" in this video....
    and I personally agree with that assertion.


     
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    Well over sixty percent of Canadians are vaccinated......

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=CAN

    but... any objective well informed person knows that the vaccines are EXPERIMENTAL.......
    and there is a valid concern that within two to five years those who took one or more of the specific vaccines may be
    really scared of the effect that shedding of spike proteins might have on their children or grandchildren or friends and neighbours.

    The possibility exists and is yet an unknown as to whether or not the shedding of spike proteins could turn out to be somewhat or even significantly more dangerous than the original COVID 19 virus itself?
     
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    This is patently false. The vaccines were approved for use after testing and are therefore not experimental.

    The only danger in regards to this vaccine, and other vaccines for that matter, are anti-vaxxer cranks like yourself who pose a risk to the health and safety of those around them. And I mean that literally. People like you pose a risk to the lives of the people unfortunate to exist in proximity to you and because you of the manner in which you choose to spread your disinformation, you pose a risk to others unfortunate enough to read your drivel online.

    Given you are already on the ban cycle on this forum because of your anti-vaxxer disinformation, I am at a loss as to why you deliberately choose to immediately start posting the same anti-vaxxer rubbish that saw you banned in the first place.

    Make no mistake, Dennis, I have no qualms in permanently removing you from this site if you continue.
     
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    It can be justified to doubt and see more facts esp to a not yet absolute thing but it should be unjustified to look only negative side of a mass existing and well distributed thing. Yes, a day is made up of both light and dark time. One is justified only when he base these both not simply either one unless he has special vested interests for either. Vaccines are mass existing and well distributed thing although these may have not yet became absolute. So one can take these in positive sense by comparing their positive and negative sides and base on nett.
     
  18. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Well said.
     
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    This may need to be basically understood by impact of infection vs impact from vaccination. I think, basically two types of harms can be possible(though other direct harm I do not understabd):-
    1. Direct injury by cellular destruction of normal cells due to virus infection in them.
    2. Injury due to active immune response in both cases on infection and vaccination since both can act as antigens or immunogens to immune system.
    Both the above short term snd long term impacts? Normal cellular specific injury can not happen by vaccines because they do not infect and grow into normal cells. But overactive immune response can do some such cellular destruction.

    Now, pls tell, what can be the concern at basic level. What it damage, is secondary.
     
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    Although it is claimed that vaccines mediated immune response and immune protection do not cause serious side effects and just cause mild symptoms initially by all competent authorities. However such harms and long term side effects are noted in case of natural infection esp of bit severe nature.
     
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    ... all end up at the North Magnetic Pole.
     
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  22. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    or.......
    many of us could end up losing confidence in the actors on BigMedia who
    are really sales people for BigPharma but they are basically acting like they are objective "reporters?"

    Many reporters are not truly objective and honest when it comes to this topic.




    Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic (Robert Malone, Steve Kirsch, Bret Weinstein)
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  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    This is just more antivaxxer horseshit: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP
     
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