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Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Magical Realist, Jul 1, 2014.

  1. Motor Daddy ☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼ Valued Senior Member

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    I don't, that's why I would have to try to pinch it, to see what happens. When someone tells you a story that's hard to believe, do you just believe it, or do you try to narrow down the cause using any means available?

    All seeing and no pinching... Go figure.
     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL! I certainly don't ask them if they pinched the ghost to make sure it was real.


    Once again, how do you know a ghost is pinchable? Maybe they're not. So that test would be totally unhelpful.
     
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  7. Motor Daddy ☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼ Valued Senior Member

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    See? You need to push them harder on what actually happened. If seeing is all they have, well, there's invisible green monsters in my backyard too! So I guess everyone has their own little fantasies.


    Once again, the only way to know if your dead Aunt on the sofa is pinchable is to pinch her and find out! Duh?

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  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    It would still be a natural phenomenon since it takes place in the natural world. But I would be very tempted to think I just saw a ghost or whatever and I would then be forced to admit that it exist as a natural phenomenon.
     
  9. Motor Daddy ☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼ Valued Senior Member

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    MR, Did the sofa cushion sink down in the spot she was sitting on the sofa, as if she weighed a few pounds?
     
  10. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    I do not need no vindication from anyone, and especially about this sort of thing.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Hallucinations can occur in any sensory modality — visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, proprioceptive, equilibrioceptive, nociceptive, thermoceptive and chronoceptive.

    Peduncular hallucinosis
    Main article: Peduncular hallucinosis

    Peduncular means pertaining to the peduncle, which is a neural tract running to and from the pons on the brain stem. These hallucinations usually occur in the evenings, but not during drowsiness, as in the case of hypnagogic hallucination. The subject is usually fully conscious and then can interact with the hallucinatory characters for extended periods of time.
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  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    "The false images can occur in any part of the visual field, and are rarely polymodal"
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Ghosts may very well BE a natural phenomenon. Residual hauntings certainly suggest some environmentally-caused memory effect of past persons/events. But the survival of spirits of the dead ("ghosts" in the conventional sense) suggest more than natural circumstances. Unless we want to include other dimensions as part of the overall realm of nature.
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. I base this on actual firsthand sightings of ghosts leaving indention marks on chairs and beds.
     
  15. Motor Daddy ☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼ Valued Senior Member

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    So those ghosts have mass, they aren't merely a translucent spirit of sorts, they are massive objects that are part of the physical world. Are you suggesting that physical objects need not follow the physical laws we have in place? I'm not sure how to make objects disappear in the real world, unless you mean it's magic?
     
  16. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Seizure disorders--particularly temporal lobe epilepsy. I've experienced countless polymodal--visual, auditory, olfactory, and/or tactile--hallucinations in my lifetime, some of which were quite, erm, extraordinary. Often these are compounded by synaesthesia, which I experience to greatly varying degrees both ictal and inter-ictal. To my knowledge, such hallucinations are relatively uncommon outside of epilepsy or other traumatic brain injuries, i.e., schizophrenics typically experience auditory hallucinations exclusively, and if there is a visual component, it's apt to be more of a visual distortion nature as opposed to seeing something that simply isn't there.
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe they're like light, having only a rest mass. Whatever the case, witnesses report being pushed, touched, and "electrically" scratched or stung by ghosts on investigations. Even quite heavy objects can be moved, rocks thrown, faucets turned on, and doors slammed. Loud rappings on walls occur as well as heavy footsteps on the floor. My guess is they can manipulate mass at will, much as they can other properties like electricity, air movements, sound, scent, etc.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    When you are having a seizure-induced hallucination, is it obvious that is what is happening? Or does the hallucination appear totally real to you?
     
  19. Motor Daddy ☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼ Valued Senior Member

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    You mean like a light image of your dead Aunt that sits on the sofa and leaves an indentation in the cushion because she has mass, and talks to you for 30 minutes kind of "light like"?

    Do you think they have a speed limit of c, or do you think they actually travel faster than light? Why would ghosts have to follow Einstein's speed limit anyway, that would be dumb. Everyone knows ghosts don't care about no speed limit.

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  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed. Which means that sometimes they ARE polymodal.

    So we have two possibilities here. One is that ghosts are real. The other is that you are experiencing a known medical phenomenon.
     
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Who knows. Why don't you study up on the phenomenon and answer your own questions. Oh that's right. You don't actually accept any of this as real do you? It's all just hallucinations in people's heads.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Did you miss the added stipulation of your neighbor coming over and seeing her as well? Post #18..
     
  23. Motor Daddy ☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼☼ Valued Senior Member

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    I will accept it is real when I get to experience something first hand. But as of yet, nothing. Fifty years on this rotating hunk of planet and not a ghost experience one under my belt. None. Still waiting though (patiently I might add).

    Not me.
     

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