Who are we?

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by hansda, Dec 24, 2016.

  1. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    We are all human beings. We are all living beings. Our body is approx 70% water. Water is H2O. Our lung is full of air. Air is N2, O2, CO2.. . Bones are mostly calcium(Ca). So our body is made of natural elements as enlisted in the Periodic Table. These natural elements are made of molecules. Molecules are made of atoms. Atoms are made of electron, proton and neutron. Electrons of water are same with electrons of air or bones. So, we can say our body basically is made of electron, proton and neutrons.These electron,proton and neutrons can not move on their own. When we move our hand or any other limbs; so many electron,proton and neutrons will be moved.

    So, who are we?

    Are we all these electrons, protons and neutrons or something else which is able to move these particles.
     
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  3. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    In that respect, my opinion is that we are the brain at work. That means that the human brain has a memory function that is able to organize, store, and recal past events. So we are the living unit, as you described it, made of atomic particles, and organized through DNA strands to have the brain and brain functions. We are all individual stand alone units with fantastic capabilities, many of which are as yet unknown.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    nitpick:
    Elements are not made of molecules. Elements are atoms. Molecules are made of atoms.

    However...
    ...yes.

    Yes, they can, and they do.

    In the presence of ubiquitous energy, a free-floating H atom will combine with a free-floating O atom without our help.

    Let's look at a hyopthetical ultra-simple proto-life molecule: A molecule that is light-sensitive, changing shape when bombarded by light. Light hits it, it bends. Light goes away, it relaxes. You now have a molecule that will move in response to light. It can "walk" all on its own.

    Scale that up by many orders of magnitude, and you have complex life.

    We are the chemistry of atoms, driven by the engine of sunlight.
     
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  7. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    Brain will work, when it is alive. Will it work, if it is dead?

    Correct. Here brain is also consisting of electrons, protons and neutrons.

    Life is important. Can we co-relate life with the atomic particles?

    Thats true. Power of brain/mind is enormous. It is mysterious also.
     
  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Shouldn't this be in philosophy. Where is the "alternative theory" here or even a theory. This is a thread that asks "Who are we" and then points out that everything in the universe is made of atoms.

    Two non-sequitur statements going nowhere it seems to me. Maybe we should throw in "What is life", "Why are we here" ...
     
  9. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    ok.



    I mean, they can move but they can not change their movement on their own.

    This will happen as per some principles or law.


    This is also following some basic rules.

    How a molecule can walk and change its directions like a living being?

    You mean complex life generates from the basic function of "walk" of a molecule?



    Do you think our thoughts are driven by sunlight?
     
  10. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    Don't you think, there can be some fundamental interaction between life and atomic/quantum particles. OR, can life be generated from only the interactions of atomic/quantum particles?
     
  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Everything is made up from atoms so there is no "interaction".

    Is there some "interaction" between me and my foot? My foot is part of me.
     
  12. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    Atomic particles are not static. They are dynamic. They are always in motion. When some change is happening to this motion, an interaction is happening. Remember Newton's First Law of Motion.

    When you move your foot, there is some interaction.
     
  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say that atoms don't move but when my foot moves there isn't any interaction between me and my foot. My foot is part of "me".

    I don't really see that there is a point to be made.
     
  14. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    If you are on a respirator there will not be interaction, if the respirator is shut off there is on interaction , but if you are a live then there is interaction . Since you are typing in your keyboard without any man made support system , then there is an interaction between you and your foot.
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Simply a product of Evolution.

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  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Nor can a dollar buy you a house. But get a million of em together...

    Your body is composed of 7 billion billion billion atoms (that's 27 zeroes) in the form of molecules. Some of those molecules receive light, some capture airborne chemicals in the form of aromas. Some serve as memory (storing such things as the smell of food and the urge to eat.) Some produce electrical signals that travel along nerves (more molecules) to other molecules that make up your muscles. If the signals are coordinated enough, the entire collection of molecules picks up a sharp bone and moves toward the source of the aroma.


    I am first showing that chemistry is the basis for molecular activity, that molecualt actiibty is the basis for simple life, and then that simple life is the basis for complex life.

    No. The walking molecules is just a hypothetical example of how chemistry, driven by sunlight, provides the basis for actions that characterize life.




    Ultimately, yes. Sunlight and chemistry.

    Sunlight is the driver for all chemistry on Earth (except that which comes from the still-molten core).

    Take away sunlight for long enough, and the chemistry - upon which our thoughts are based - will definitely stop.
     
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  17. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    What do you say about life which does not get any sunshine ? and there are plenty of those .
    EVOLUTION is the whole magic word. How about if I synthesize a new molecule . Is that evolution ?
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing magical about Evolution: It is a scientific fact.

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    On your question, that's simply an example of synthesization.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Remember, the OP was asking specifically about "we". I have been generalizing to all life on Earth, and in doing so, I explicitly added this qualifier:
    Chemistry on Earth will cease (eventually) once those two sources of energy are removed.
     
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    It is not. For several reasons.

    1] If you're synthesizing it, then it is not evolving.

    2] It might be a good time to clarify or use of the term 'evolution'.

    There are lots of unrelated uses of the term. Stellar evolution, galactic evolution. In this content it simply means 'change over time'.

    We are talking here about biological evolution. Biological evolution involves traits from one organism being passed to a new organism. That is not the case with other forms of evolution.
     
  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    This is ridiculous.
     
  22. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Not according to my philosophy.

    I would think only in the sense that life is based on molecules that can self-replicate, and such molecules are composed of atomic particles. However, the DNA molecule itself logically is the result of an iterative process where a hospitable environment and the ready availability of the proper chemicals and energy combine until chance produces the right combination.
    Solving the mysteries does seem to be a challenge born of our very existence.
     
  23. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Why is it ridicules ? or is it that you don't like it ?
     

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