Why am I aware?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by just me, Dec 6, 2019.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Based on your words:

    So, the question is: what is this physical thing, and how does it result in consciousness? i.e. what is the mechanism?
     
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  3. just me Registered Senior Member

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    I dont think it must have a mechanism, just that it does currently.
    sort of like, an interface between your experience as percieved by you, and your awareness as percieved by others, that interface being electrons.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You are taking the word mechanism too literally.
    Simply explain how electrons == consciousness.
     
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  7. just me Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think they do.
    I think changes to them pertain to changes in ones awareness.
    they're an interface, nothing more.
     
  8. just me Registered Senior Member

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    exist was a poor term to use, I think changes to these electrons pertain to changes in your awareness, as the better an anesthetic is at inhibiting electron mobility, the better it is at inducing anesthesia.

    and I think that these electrons, this interface, exists inside of your head.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think anyone here doubts that electrons play a part in consciousness. Of course they do, since consciousness is an electro-chemical process.

    A few posts ago, you seemed to be suggesting it is not a process, but a physical thing, in the brain. And when asked what that physical thing might be, you said electrons.

    Now you seem to be walking back the whole idea that consciousness might be some physical thing in the brain, rather than a process. Maybe you should take a few moments to compose your ideas.
     
  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps differentiating bewteen consciousness and cognition would be worth while?
     
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  11. just me Registered Senior Member

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    Piffle. Awareness is the qualia i am aware of.
    The interface with it is comprised of electrons, probably. Its hard to tell with induction.

    Saying these qualia are electrons is akin to saying an umbrella is a banana.

    But it is vital that i maintain this interface with the body and my memories.
     
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    Also, i have tracked these electrons to some sort of enclosed or mostly enclosed pockets in the brain, thats why i think they are the interface rather than something responsible for conveying information to it.
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    troll wardrobe malfunction ?
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No you haven't.
     
  15. whynwhynwhy Registered Member

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    Because you're still alive . Dead people can't be aware of anything. They lose their full consciousness and never recover it.

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  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    See post #47
     
  17. just me Registered Senior Member

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    Sure i have.
    Xenon works by dipole dipole interaction with some atoms in the process of its anesthetic action.

    Well, probably anyway because its anesthetic efficiency is reduced severely merely if its atoms nuclei are spinning.



    non imobilisers all seem to be comprised of highly electronegative atoms, such as, for instence, hexaflouronethane, which is comprised of flourine atoms, and this other one i forgot the name of which is comprised of flourine atoms and a chlorine atom.

    Anyway, these non imobilisers fit nicely into the meyer overton correlation, but they dont induce aneathesia.

    Which indicates that they bond to the right substances to induce anesthesia, just like xenon, but do so in the wrong way.

    And due to the electronegativity of their atoms this wrong way is probably a dipole dipole interaction but with the wrong end of these dipoles, the negative end, facing toward the substance in question.

    I actually predicted the high electronegativity of the atoms comprising these non imobilisers based on this hypothesis.

    So anyway this is what the interaction would look like with an anesthetic with the substance in question.

    Anesthetic. Negative positive negative positive. Substance atoms

    And with a highly electronegative non imobiliser/convulsant.

    Convulsant. Positive negative positive negative. Substance atoms

    So this indicates a direction of conveyance of sensory information which is inhibited in anesthesia.

    And when anesthesia happens, at least with xenon, the electric charge of the substance in question, it is pulled toward the binding site of xenon, resulting in the inhibition of sensation indicating that the electric charge of these substance atoms is responsible for conveying sensory information in the direction opposite xenons binding site.

    But the fact that xenon can only really bind to the side of this substance that is opposite the direction of conveyance of sensory information via electric charge indicates that the side in the direction of this conveyance is unaccesable to external particles such as xenon and is therefore enclosed in a pocket like construct, the exterior of which is the binding site of the anesthetic xenon.

    Thats the gist of it anyway.

    Also the fact the the highly electronegative convulsants which are lipid soluble induce convulsions indicates that these pockets are situated in some kind of motor neurons, which is consistent with dr stuart hameroffs research also.
     
  18. just me Registered Senior Member

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    It is not possible to be unconscious from your own perspective, because without consciousness you would have no perspective.
     
  19. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    Is it possible to be aware that you're aware? Or would you just be aware of, the idea of being, aware?
     
  20. whynwhynwhy Registered Member

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    What about the subconsciousness? Without my consciousness, I would have no perspective? Why can I still talk and express my views while dreaming? I have no consciousness while dreaming, right? Have you ever talked to someone in your dreams?

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    So...
     
  22. just me Registered Senior Member

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    Awareness is a better word to use actually.
     
  23. just me Registered Senior Member

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    Awareness is comprised of itself, so it is the same as the awareness of awareness.
     

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