Why do ghosts wear human clothes?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Mar 24, 2016.

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    There are cases of dogs and cats being recorded and heard in empty haunted locations. So no..humans aren't the only ones with ghosts.
     
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  3. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    What cases?
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I can describe several ways your brain is lying to you, MR, about what you are seeing right this very moment, as well as every moment since you woke up, until you went to bed, every day since the day you were born, and will continue to do - yes even during every second of your driver's test - and until the day you pass on.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I see my laptop before me. I read the words you have typed. I type my response on my keyboard. I see my words appear on the lit up screen. Then I click on the "Post Reply" icon. How is my brain lying to me?
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I want to be clear about something. First, I want to demonstrate that your mind and perception are lying to you all the time.
    After that, we can address the issue of seeing apparitions and whether we can trust what we think we see.

    Your mind is lying to you right now about what you are seeing.

    1] There are parts of your laptop screen you cannot see, but think you see.

    Your blind spot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_spot_(vision)

    Every moment your eyes are open, there are parts of your field of view you cannot see. You mind actively fills that spot in. It doesn't leave the area empty, it actually fills it in with whatever else is around. If you are looking at a spot on a piece of paper, and you move till that spot is obscured by your blind spot, your mind fills in that gap with the colour of the paper. Look at a white page, your mind will fill it in with white. Look at a blue page, your mind fill it in with blue.

    Try the experiments. Prove to yourself that, except under highly contrived circumstances (2 small dots on an empty background, the right distance apart, with your eyes at the right distance from the page ) it is impossible for you to see something that is right there in front of you. Your mind has deliberately and painstakingly fooled you into thinking your field of vision is uninterrupted.


    2] The colours you see are not the colours you think you see.

    Where are you sitting right now? Let's say it's in a closed room lit with light bulbs. It might be lit with fluorescent lights, it might actually be outdoors under the sun. Whatever.
    You look at a white piece of paper next to you and it looks white. It isn't. Take a photo of the room to get an accurate idea of the actual colour. It is deeply yellow, or deeply green, or deeply blue.
    Your mind will always interpret it as white. Your mind actively filters out the prevailing colour cast, making you think you're lit by white light.


    3] Persistence of vision. (An example for that first day of driving school.)

    LED brake lights on cars. They look persistently lit. They're not. Whip your eyes back and forth and you will see the flicker. Your mind blurs the flickers together so you are not distracted.


    4] The gorilla.

    But you have had a very real 3D human form walk before you, stop, wave, and walk away -without you having seen it at all.

    Your mind deliberately hid the gorilla from you so that you could concentrate on your goal, which was counting ball passes. It was trying to help you by removing distractions.


    There isn't room to list a hundred more ways. I could write book. Wait. Jay Ingram already did.



    The fact is, in a hundred ways every second, your mind is actively trying to "'help" you make sense of the world around you. That is not at all the same thing as trying to give you an accurate picture of what is in front of you.


    Again, to be clear, I'm not trying to apply this directly to seeing moving apparitions. I am simply trying to make it clear that the tool we use to observe the world (the very tool you claim sees ghosts wearing clothes) is a notoriously unreliable source of accurate information about things that are outside its expectations.

    It is a humbling thing to learn.
     
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  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    All this is given. Ofcourse there are blind spots. Ofcourse we generalize. Ofcourse we infer things not seen. And it all works extremely well. There is nothing I am seeing on my laptop that isn't there. There are no colors I am imagining that are there when they really aren't. This is the issue we are discussing. Whether a person can actually see a full figure person walking in front of them with detailed clothing because their brain is projecting it. It doesn't happen.

    I totally disagree and have shown you that sight is incredibly reliable in spite of it's filtering of irrelevant details. When we see a person walking in front of us, there is a person walking in front of us. Every time. Never do we imagine such things happening unless we are on drugs or have a brain disorder. None of your examples establish this hallucinating going on in normal people. It just doesn't happen.




     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes there is. I just proved it to you. You see no empty spot on your screen. You interpolate screen where your eye cannot see it.


    There was a full figure person walking right in front of you wearing a gorilla suit and waving and you didn't see it.

    False. You proved it to yourself when you watched the video.

    I've demonstrated that you see things that are not there, and don't see things that are there. There's a hundred more examples. It's what our mind does best.
     
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  12. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    @MR: I'm normal, and I hallucinate.

    So do you, frankly.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You don't "see" a blank spot. You don't see some imagery in your field of vision. There are things I'm not seeing all the time in my field of vision due to attention and focus and oversight. That doesn't mean I see something that isn't there.

    LOL! Yes..we ignore many things when concentrating our attention on one thing. I am ignoring my TV right now as I type this. So what? It doesn't mean we spontaneously hallucinate full bodies walking around in front of us. Have you ever done this? When?
     
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  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Just say no Toad...

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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You didn't ignore it. You did not see it at all, even though it passed right through your vision.

    You don't see your bind spot. You can't see it. Try not ignoring a missing spot in your vision.
    You see solid brake lights. Try not ignoring the flicker.
    You see white where there is no white.

    Acknowledge that your perception is not an accurate account of what is in your field of view.
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I can go on with examples.

    You recall cars on the road that were never there. They are inserted into your memory as you process the scene and later recount it. This as been exhaustively demonstrated.

    We are getting into examples that are more directly related to seeing details about apparitions that we think we see, but do not actually see.
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Things are filtered out. So what? But never does one hallucinate a full bodied person in detailed clothing walking in front of them. It just doesn't happen.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You've hallucinated cars while driving? You should check yourself in the mental ward.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It is fact.
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Ah. You've gotten desperate with your retorts. I'm getting through.
     
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    When has it ever happened to you? Describe in detail please..
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I'm serious. That symptomizes a malfunctioning brain, not a properly functioning brain. You need to get checked out. It could lead to an accident.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Do a search on 'studies on accident scene memory recall'
     
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